Secrets of JW Elder Power

by Amazing 45 Replies latest jw friends

  • JT
    JT

    i was sitting here laughing at these two guys who claimed that they were elders, perhaps they were or they were not, but one thing is for sure, the elders, co, do and the society makes rules up many times how and when they want to.

    for two guys to not realize that this is a man made and man run organization is almost funny

    as you were telling your exp of how a reinstated person was re-dfed it fits so well with all the other exp we have had- folks have been dfed with no witnesses, no meeting, just cause the elders didn't like them

    i mean all one has to do is read the exp of folks who have sat in elders meeting being beat up

    i don't understand how these guys who know that elders will ask a sister did she have an organism - now all of a sudden find it unbelievable that some goofy body of elders will re-df folks

    i recall being at bethel talking to Fred Rusk about the the dissassocation article that came out 1981- sept 1. 15.81

    and how many ELDERS MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT IT MEANT to be disassocated-

    he told a group of us young guys that jw were calling to bethel because the elders were telling folks

    "Since sister Johnson ain't been to the meetings in "5weeks" then she has dissassociated herself"

    and the elders would stop by to tell her that she was going to be viewed as DA

    they had it all A$$ backwards even according to the society own goofy rules

    to consider that we have Cheese cracker men in charge

    will someone tell me why this guy finds it so hard to accept that a body of goofy elders would do this?

    wake up man

  • minimus
    minimus

    JT, do elders really ask sisters if they have an ORGANISM?? lol....I think these 2 guys that have claimed that they were elders probably were not.Those 2 guys must not realize that this is a man made and man run organization...So sad. I mean funny.

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Minimus, old son,

    What on earth is a female "ORGANISM"?

    Cheers, Ozzie

    Edited by - ozziepost on 18 September 2002 5:41:40

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Minimus: The point is not COULD happen ... but DOES happen. The issue is not official policy or nicey-nicey theory, but reality and practice ... the reality is the I-N-C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-C-Y in the organization ... in some areas things are done diffeently than in other areas, even things taught in KM shcool will vary ... each according to the whims of the CO and DO involved.

    This was the point of my second post ... to highlight that things DO happen, and as attested by many former Elders ... it is not just here or there but everywhere ... and the Society allows it to happen ...

    JT: Your points are great ... and I loved your comment about 'Organism' ... Could it be that sisters have 'Orgasms' with their Organism.

    Edited by - Amazing on 18 September 2002 7:22:48

  • Hmmm
    Hmmm

    A friend of mine was disfellowshipped, got reinstated, then was disfellowshipped again a few months later for not going to meetings or out in service. I have no idea what was written on the form, but he was told that it was because he was not showing repentence.

    BTW, as far as the DFd person in question knows--and he had a very good relationship with one of the elders--this was not a trumped-up charge to get him because they didnt like him; the elders simply decided that he was not repentent. The congregation had had spate of MSs getting removed/reproved/DFd, and the feeling was that the elder body was trying to crack down on what the CO was chiding them as a series of rash appointments. (Ironically, the same CO had previously told that body of elders that the next time he came around, they had BETTER have a few names to put forth for appointment, or he'd conclude that they weren't doing enough to help the young men reach out.)

    I dont understand the argument. It DOES happen. As has been stated a million times, you can get DFd for sneezing too loud, and it will make no difference what is/was in writing.

    Hmmm

  • JT
    JT

    OK guys you got me on this one-- is was suppose to be " 'Orgasms'

    hey it is hard typing with one hand-- IT IS A JOKE!! SMILE

    @@@@@@@

    but as to whether elders ask those types of questions- yes they do here is an example of what happens when a sister is brought in

    james

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=4114&site=3

    I thought the name of this thread was so on time for this thread demostrates one of the sad things about claiming to speak for god, when one actually does not.

    when i was a newly appointed elder at the tender age of 27

    i was introduced to the world of the JUDICAL COMMITTEE.

    It was in fact my first case. i had gotten a call from the PO before the meeting stating that their would be an elders meetings to discuss some judical matters. i sat thru the meeting thinking and wondering

    what type of case would it be and would i be selected to serve on it since i was a new elder or would i be told next you can serve.

    right after the prayer we quickly entered the 2nd school. and there we sat, the po annouced that he had been approached by a single sister who stated she had sexual relationship with a man on her job and this would require the formation of a judical committe.

    i recall so well that one bro almost jumped out of his seat to volunteer stating that since she was in his bookstudy he felt that he would be in a good position to serve.

    the po stated he would be out of town so he could not do it this weekend and it needed to be handle quickly cause it was publicly known on her job

    - the guy got the sister stuff and-went bragging about bagging a JW-

    so another bro was recommended and then the po said let James serve it will be good exp. we got 2 exp elders already.

    so the time was arranged for sat at 2pm at the hall to meet with her but we would meet at 1:30pm to review the flockbook

    well i was up late friday night reviewing the flockbook on how i could be a loving shepard for this dear sister who had been swallowed up by this worldly man - a tool of satan_

    then the time came she walked into the room and i had known her for a number of years and my wife and her were good friends so the embarrassment on her face was so telling

    after a prayer the chairman explained a few ground rules no tape recorders , etc

    then she was asked to tell us what happened

    when she finished --the woman was shaking and eyes just full of water

    then the questioning began

    at first the question were basic one that i thought sounded reasonable, but in just a few min i realized why the bookstudy conductor wanted to serve on her case

    i found out later that he was interested in her yrs ago, but she wasn't

    he married and his wife was one of those big black sisters who was good in field service , but not much to really look at

    while this sister kinda put in mind of a Venessa Williams type to put in plainly she was a nice looking sister i won't lie

    but the questions took a wild left hand turn, he started and the other bro would followup it was like machine gun questions

    Who was on top
    Did he Climax
    was there oral or any anal

    and on an on it went
    and yes the famous question:

    "Were you wearing Panites or Thongs?"

    i could see that she was starting to lose it and she just brokedown into tears- so she was excused to go to the bathroom

    while she was out it was explained to me as a new elder that such questions were NEEDED to see if she was consistent in her story and the details- to see if she was truly repentant or was it a practice

    he explained to me that a "Practice" could be considered if the person had sexually intercourse more than once during the night while in the bed with the person- that it was not needed for it to be separate days, but more than once in the same night and it "could be" considered that the person had made it into a "Pratice"

    the TECHNICAL DETAILS that wt gives it's elders are unreal

    such as the difference between

    1. MOMENTARYLY TOUCHING A SISTER'S BREAST

    2. CARRESSING IT-

    oUR WT elders school spent about 25 min in our class explaining the difference between the two and each has it's own
    punishment

    i was told that the Panty-Thong question would reveal

    "INTENT" "Scheming" "planning" etc on the part of the sister

    you see as it was explained to me if she was wearing Bloomers or reg panties then if a claim was made that we got carried away in the heat of the moment then it would be possible

    but if she was wearing "Thongs" then she went to his house with the intent of Giving him Some

    now this is how i was beening groomed and instructed, being a new elder who had never served on any case i didn't know

    these guys were exp elders with yrs of judical cases under thier belt-
    beside these were all Former bethelites like myself so of course the boys from THE HOUSE knew how the judicial meeting was to be handle

    well she came back into the room and sat down and the questions started again in a few min and at this point she refused to answer anymore questions LIKE THAT and she told us she would not answer THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONs

    "Girl Friend" picked up her bag and walked out

    in 5 min we decided that she was "UNREPENTANT" AND DFED HER

    I SWEAR TO GOD i only wish i could find her and tell her how sorry i was for allowing her to literally be ganged raped by those guys

    this system of the WT of having men called Elders with no training FREELY be able to ask any Damn quesiton they want to and the persons is obligated to answer or else be viewed as not working with Jehovah's Organization is a Damn Joke

    I often wonder whatever became of that sister- she attended only about 2or 3 meetings after the annoucement and disappared into thin air

    If you are reading this post and you know who you are

    for i'm in the Washington DC area of the country

    I beg you to please accept my apology for supporting such a cruel and evil system

    James

  • JT
    JT

    I dont understand the argument. It DOES happen. As has been stated a million times, you can get DFd for sneezing too loud, and it will make no difference what is/was in writing.

    Hmmm

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    i'm with you on this one, i can't beleive any guy who "claims" to be a former elder don't know that elders have both written and unwritten rules- like you said "I don't understand the argument" me neither

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Say, James, why'd you use so much spacing in your posts?

    Make 'em short and sweet, I say.

    Cheers, Ozzie

  • minimus
    minimus

    Let no one ever ask the question,"Can you get disfellowshipped for this?" ever again! The answer is YES, YOU CAN GET DISFELLOWSHIPPED FOR ANYTHING!.....another "secret" of JW elder power....btw, How do any of us know that some who claim to be "in the house" were ever? How do we really know who was or really wasn't an elder, m.s. or pioneer? Who really cares?

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Dunno. Who's asking?

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