A poll on your belief systems

by LyinEyes 19 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge
    Whos better, the chrisitan who does good knowing he will go to heaven for the good he has done, and avoids bad so he wont go to hell / be eternally executed, or the athiest who does good without any reward whatsoever, without any promised reward from a mystical being. The athiest who does not do bad because well, he dosent want to do evil, to harm his fellow man.

    Who's better at what? I consider myself Christian, but for the most part, I don't do or not do because of consequences...I don't even think about it, it's just who I am, same as the athiest in your example. (Maybe it helps to not believe in a literal Hell).

    Also, I think if one reads the scriptures, especially the one about Christ and tries to live the example He set, keeping it simple, then one is well on their way to figuring out, if not just getting thru life.

  • BugParadise
    BugParadise
    bboyneko: Whos better, the chrisitan who does good knowing he will go to heaven for the good he has done, and avoids bad so he wont go to hell / be eternally executed, or the athiest who does good without any reward whatsoever, without any promised reward from a mystical being. The athiest who does not do bad because well, he dosent want to do evil, to harm his fellow man.

    Your words remind me of this quote by Ernestine L. Rose, "A Defense of Atheism"

    "Whatever good you would do out of fear of punishment, or hope of reward
    hereafter, the Atheist would do simply because it is good; and
    being so, he would receive the far surer and more certain reward,
    springing from well-doing, which would constitute his pleasure, and
    promote his happiness."

  • BugParadise
    BugParadise
    LyinEyes: As far as myself, I would like to try it one day,, maybe to just say I did, and to feel if there is a difference. I know I would be very skeptical, I would walk out the first time some one laid down too many rules, which I am afraid is the way it will be

    I would kick back for awhile and stay away from the Church scene. Give yourself some time to try your wings and enjoy the freedom. I would also do research on the various religions and denominations for both sides Pros/Cons and see which one is right for you. I think you would find the majority of Christian Churches a little too confining at first especially in this area of the country. I feel you can have some quality Bible discussion and discussions of a religious nature online and it does seem to promote personal study and growth on your own as you ponder the various points of view you will come accross. The Unitarian Church I have been told is not as legalistic as many others. You can always join Paltalk and get to listen to many different faith groups represented in various voice chat rooms and even run into some really crazy ones (which are good entertainment if needing a laugh) There are so many Messiah's running around and lots that think they are the "2 Witnesses" (then you can shake your head and wonder why you ever thought YOU had problems .. ha ha)

  • FreeToBeMe
    FreeToBeMe

    (S.H.I.T. Simply How I Think)... I can't remember where I nicked this from. Kinda liked it. Sums up some opinions rather nicely.

    RELIGIOUS SHIT HAPPENS Hare Krishna:Shit Happens, Rama Rama Ding Ding.
    She-it happens, She-it happens, happens, happens, she-it, she-it...
    (Repeat until you become one with she-it)
    Please this flower and buy our shit.     Confucianism:Confucious say, "Shit happens."
    Confucious says, "If shit has to happen, let it happen PROPERLY."     Zen:What is the sound of shit happening? 7th Day Adventism:Shit happens on Saturdays. Hinduism:I've seen this shit before.
    This shit is not a religion, it is the way of life.
    This shit happening IS you.     Protestantism:If shit happens, it happens to someone else.
    If shit happens, praise the lord for it!     Calvinism: Shit happens because you don't work hard enough. Episcopalianism:
    If shit happens, hold a procession.     Lutheranism:Shit happens, but as long as you're sorry, it's OK. Anglicanism:It's true, shit does happen -- but only to Lutherans. Catholicism:If shit happens, you deserved it.
    You were born shit, you are shit, and you will die shit.     Charismatic Catholicism:Shit is happening because you deserve it, but we love you anyway. Judaism:Why does shit always happen to US?
    Why does shit always happen just before closing the deal?     Reform Judaism:Got any laxatives? Islam:If this shit happens, it is the will of Allah.
    If shit happens, take a hostage.
    We don't take any shit.     Nation of Islam:Don't take no shit! New Age:That's not shit, it's feldspar.
    A firm shit does not happen to me.
    This isn't shit if I really believe it's chocolate.
    I create my own shit.
    If shit happens, honor it and share it.
    Sheeeeeeeeeeit!
    Were all part of the same shit.
    For $300, we can help you get in touch with your inner shit.     Wicca:If shit happened once, it will happen twice more.
    The Goddess makes shit happen.     Jehovah's Witnesses:No shit happens until Armaggedon.
    There is only a limited amount of good shit.
    Knock Knock, "Shit Happens."
    Here, we insist you take our shit.
    Shit happens door to door.     Secular Humanism:Shit evolves. Darwinism:Survival of the shittiest. Christian Science:When shit happens, don't call a doctor--pray.
    Shit doesn't happen and I am not up to my eyeballs in it.
    Our shit will take care of itself.
    Shit in in your mind.     Atheism:I don't believe this shit.
    It looks and smells like shit, so I'm damned if I'm going to taste it.
    Shit doesn't happen. Shit is dead.
    No shit!     Religion from an Atheist's point of view:I haven't smelt, seen, touched, or tasted it. But it's shit. Agnosticism:It looks and smells like shit, but I haven't tasted it, so I'm not sure whether its shit or not.
    What is this shit?!
    How can we KNOW if shit happens?
    You can't prove any of this shit     Rastafarianism:Let's smoke this shit!
    Hey, this is good shit, mon.     Mormonism:If shit happens, shun it.
    Excrement happens (you can't say shit in Utah)
    Hey, there's more shit over here!
    Our shit is better than your shit.
    Shit happens again & again & again ...     Baptist:You are shitting all wrong, and you'll be punished for it.
    We'll wash the shit right off you.     Southern Baptist:Shit will happen. Praise the lord. Iraqi Baathist:Oh shit! Voodoo:Shit doesn't just happen -- somebody dumped it on you.
    Let's stick some pins in this shit!
    This shit's gonna get you     Televangelism:Your tax-deductible donation could make this shit stop happening. Unitarianism:What is this Shit?
    We affirm the right for shit to happen.
    Go ahead, shit anywhere you want.
    It's not the shit that matters. It's the process.     Orthodox:St. Sergius found his faith in deep shit. Greek Orthodox:Shit happens, usually in three's. Fundamentalism:There's no shit in the Bible.
    Shit happens, but don't publish it.     Shintoism:You inherit the shit of your ancestors. Moonies:Only happy shit really happens. Stoicism:This shit is good for me. Zoroastrianism:Shit happens half the time. Bahaism:Why do you keep shitting on us? Mysticism:
    This is really weird shit.     Paganism:Shit happens for a variety of reasons. Rajhneesh:Give us your shit and put on this orange shit. Satanism:We hope bad shit happens to all of you.
    We will make your shit happen.     Witchcraft:Mix this shit together and it will happen Scientology:All this happens to be shit.
    If you leave us, bad shit will happen to you.     Shamanism:Whoaa...Holy Shit! Sikhism:Leave our shit alone Sureshism:You are all pieces of shit. THEORECTICAL SHIT HAPPENS Twelve Step:Shit happens one day at a time. Environmentalism:Shit is biodegradable. Heisenbergism: Shit happened, we just don't know where. Quantum Shittydynamics:
    Shit happens only in well-defined quantities.     Einsteinism:Shit is Relative. Communism:It's everybody's shit. Marxism:The rich shit exploits the poor shit, but deep down all shit is alike. Capitalism:Shit happens, and it'll cost you!
    If you're gonna sell that shit, at least make a profit.     Cannibalism:Don't eat the shit. Vegetarianism:If it happens to shit, don't eat it. Hedonism:There's nothing quite like a good shit. Stoicism:This shit is good for me. Existentialism:Shit doesn't happen; shit is.
    Shit happening is absurd.     Realism:I think I need to take a shit. Denialism:What shit? Purists:If shit has to happen, let ONLY shit happen. Procrastinationism:I'll take care of this shit...tomorrow. Avoidanceism:With all this happening, I think I'll go shit. Repressionism:I'll hold this shit in forever. Fatalism:Oh shit, it's going to happen! Surrealism:Fish! Fetishism:I love when shit happens. Masochism:Do shit to me! Sadism:I will shit on you! FAMOUS PEOPLE SHIT HAPPENS Washington:I cannot tell a lie--shit happened. Lincoln:Four score and seven shits ago... Nixon:Shit didn't happen, and if it did I didn't know anything about it. Reagan:Well, I do believe that shit happened. I was just taking a nap. Quayle:Whye doe peopl treate mee lik shite? Clinton:I didn't inhale this shit.
    I tried this shit before and I didn't like it so....     Bush:Read my lips: no more shit!
    Wouldn't be prudent to shit at this juncture.
    This looks like foreign shit. Let Baker handle it.     Perot:I'm sorry if I dropped you guys in this piece of shit. McCarthy:Are you now, or have you ever been, shit? Martin Luther King:Black shit and white shit CAN coexist... Julius Caesar:I came, I saw, I shitted. (Veni, Vidi, Shitty) John Paul Jones:I have not yet begun to shit. James Tiberius Kirk:...to boldly shit where no one has shit before! PHILOSPHICAL SHIT HAPPENS Epicurus:If shit happens, enjoy it. Socrates:What is shit? Why is shit? Aristotle:The essence of shittyness... Descartes:I think, so why am I in this shit?
    I shit, therefore I am.     Leibniz (as interpreted by Voltaire):
    The best of all possible shit in this world made for shit.     Thoreau:I wanted to live deliberately...to suck all the shit out of life. Sartre:Shit is meaningless!
    What is shit, anyway?     PROFESSIONAL SHIT HAPPENS Mathematician:Shit happening is just a special case... Statistician:There is an 83.7% chance that shit will happen. Maybe. Physicist (Theoretical):Shit SHOULD happen. Physicist (Experimental):To within experimental error, shit DID happen. Engineer:I hope this shit holds together. Chemist:I hope this shit doesn't blow up.
    Gee, what'll happen if I mix this and...SHIT!     Biologist:Is this shit alive? Economist:I hope no one figures out that I don't really understand this shit. Bureaucrat:I'm sorry, but we can't do this shit until you fill out form XJ-314159 to make an appointment with our Assistant Sub-Deputy Manager to obtain form ZN-271828... CEO:(1980's) I've got all the shit I want.
    (1990's) Oooh, SHIT!     Lawyer:For a sufficient fee, I can get you out of ANY shit. Doctor:
    Take two shits and call me in the morning.
    Yes, it's definitely a case of shit. $99.95, please...
    Shit, where's this organ supposed to go?     Psychologist:Shit is in your mind.
    Everything that happens is shit; some of it is just repressing
    its subconscious shittiness.     Programmer:It's shit, but at least it compiles. Social Scientist:Let's pretend that shit doesn't happen... Politician:It's shit, but it'll get me elected.
    If you elect me, there will never again be shit.
    Shit is bad for the economy.     Waitress:You want fries with that shit? Musician:This shit is out of tune. Dean:Let's see how much shit the faculty will take. Accountant:Why doesn't this shit add up? Linguist:What I'm doing is a bunch of feces tauri.
    (For non-Latin-speakers: feces tauri=the excrement of a bull)     Quality Control Inspector:This shit ain't good enough. IRS Auditor:I'll make 'em squirm for putting this shit on their tax forms. Farmer:I get subsidies for my shit. Union leader:Give us more shit or we'll strike. Mafia boss:Rub the shit out. NYC Cab Driver:Damn, looks like I hit that shit...
    20th CENTURY SHIT HAPPENS

    Yuppie Shit:It's my shit! All mine! Isn't it beautiful? An Employer:Shit happens, and rolls down hill. An Employee:I've done my shit, so can I take the day off?
    This shit's not part of my contract.     Reaction to Seeing your Mother-in-law:Relatives are Shit. Computer Science:There's a bug somewhere in this shitttttttttttttttttttttttttt Macintosh:(Enough said) UNIX/C:A core dump... Shit! IBM/DOS:It's shit, but at least it's compatible.

  • glitter
    glitter

    I will *never* be a follower of *any* religion ever again. Not even if my life depended on it! Religion all a load of rubbish and I've been fooled once and I'm not stupid enough to fall for it a second time.

    I sort of half believe in God and half don't. I'd *like* God to exist - for humans not to be in charge... but the idea of God seems too childish and simple and it brings up too many questions: Why did God make us in the first place then? He didn't have to, and we didn't *ask* to be created, so why should we worship Him? Does He feel all insecure and needs to have people tell Him how fantastic He is all the time? Why did He even give us free choice - we wouldn't know any different if He hadn't! If Adam and Eve didn't have free choice they could *never* have sinned and wouldn't have died, so does God just enjoy watching us suffer?!

    glitter

  • SYN
    SYN

    FreeToBeMe: That was BRILLIANT!!!!!! LMAO!

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    I'm with glitter, on this one. Well put.

    No religion ever again. I told my aged mother last night, that I can't believe that god wants us to worship him through organized religion. I asked her if she could think of one, including her JW's, that don't destroy someone's life during the process. She changed the subject.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Even though I have only been exposed to the WTS but never sucked in, I resent them already for the stranglehold they have on my honey. My experience with Christianity, however, has been far more positive than many here. I would not fear to walk in to many churches, though some of the practices may seem very strange to the uninitiated. My church is warm, friendly to strangers, does the soup kitchen thing, and has energetic programs for children and teens.

    Which burns me up even more when I see how the WTS lumps all of Christendom in to one corrupt pile.

    If you are interested in exploring other churches (and have not developed an allergy to study), I would recommend one that is advertising the Alpha Program on a big banner outside their church. I have seen many different denominations running this program, and it is very good. It gives the basics of the Christian faith in a non-threatening and friendly atmosphere. Food and friendship are encouraged. I have fantasized of inviting my honey to one if he ever broke free of the WTS. He does love to study so..(don't laugh. he really does).

    Edited by - jgnat on 14 August 2002 21:7:56

  • thanatopsis
    thanatopsis

    Good = that which promotes the happiness in others and minimizes the unhappiness in others
    Evil= that which promotes the unhappiness in others and minimizes the happiness in others

  • LucidSky
    LucidSky

    I am borderline agnostic. The infinitely just, wise, powerful and loving Christian God is not reflected by our reality. Yet I will never be able to prove that a Higher Being does not exist. I suspect it would not have right/wrong morality. Hmmmm... just like the universe it created? I tend to hold the universe as divine at least. Life is, after all, still a miracle no matter how you explain it.

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