I wrote to the UN

by StinkyPantz 11 Replies latest jw friends

  • StinkyPantz

    I wrote to the United Nations Friday so that I could get the Information about the Watchtower's association with them from the proverbial horse's mouth. I want to show my parents that what I'm saying about the Watchtower is not just something we evil "apostates" made up. What I received was the exact same letter that I've found on the web, but since these are addressed to me (addressed to my email addy) from officers in the UN maybe they'll actually take a look. Also for all the newbies that don't know about this, I'm posting it. Wanna see what I got?

    This is about their membership:

    To Whom It May Concern:

    Recently the NGO Section had been receiving numerous inquiries regarding the association of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York with the Department of Public Information (DPI). This organization applied for association with DPI in 1991 and was granted association in 1992. By accepting association with DPI, the organization agreed to meet criteria for association, including support and respect of the principles of the Charter of the United Nations and commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes with its constituents and to a broader audience about UN activities.

    In October 2001, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York requestedtermination of its association with DPI. Following this request, the DPI has made a decision to disassociate the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York as of .

    We appreciate your interest in the work of the United Nations.

    Yours sincerely,

    Paul Hoeffel


    NGO Section

    Department of Public Information

    I also wrote to the librarian at the UN since the Watchtower claims to have joined as an NGO because they needed to join in order to obtain a library pass. Here's what I got:

    The procedure for a library pass is the following: the interested party needs to fill out an application form and supply a letter of recommendation
    in support of the research. If the needed material is not available in a
    UN depository library (the list of depository libraries is posted at:
    http://www.un.org/depts/dhl/deplib/countries/ ), the application is approved and sent to UN Security. UN Security checks the application and, if
    approval is granted, instructs the Pass Office to issue a library pass for
    the applicant.

    The issuance of a library pass is independent of NGO status or any other status. There has been no change in the library pass policy in general;
    however, please be advised that, as a consequence of the September 11
    attacks, no library passes are being issued for the time being while the
    security situation at the UN is being studied.

    NGO representatives with UN grounds pass do not need to apply for a library
    pass since the grounds pass will allow them to use the UN Library. Actions
    on grounds passes, which provide access to UN Headquarters facilities in
    general (including, but not limited to, the UN Library), are not initiated
    by the library and we have no information about past and/or present
    practices. The UN Library exclusively deals with library passes which
    entitle the bearer only to access to the library, not to other facilities
    at UN Headquarters.

    For access options for NGOs, please contact the NGO Section:

    NGO Section
    Department of Public Information
    Room S-1070 L
    New York, NY 10017, USA
    Tel: (212) 963-6842
    Fax: (212) 963-6914

    For information about NGO status (in association with the Department of
    Public Information), please consult:
    http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/index.html . Specific details about the relationship between the UN and Watchtower can only be obtained from the
    NGO Section directly since they are not reflected in official documents.

    Best regards,
    Dana Loytved

    Senior Reference Librarian
    UN/SA Reference Desk
    United Nations Library,
    E-mail: [email protected]

    So basically the Watchtower didn't need to become an NGO to get a library pass. So why'd they join, after all being an NGO requires them to "share the ideals of the UN (Wild Beast) Charter"? They also have to "have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues". [Quotes: NGO's AND THE UNITED NATIONS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC INFORMATION: Q&A]

    Well they joined for the benefits even though that puts them in cahoots with the wild beast. Oh well .

    Edited by - StinkyPantz on 12 August 2002 21:11:39

  • Dogpatch

    Here's more stuff on the U.N. and the Watchtower:


    Randy Watters

    Net Soup!


  • In_between_days

    >Damn, stinky, I wish I got a letter, I wrote a letter to them 6 months ago, and did'nt receive one back, I then followed this up with 2 e-mails, but no response. The reply was really important to me, as I know it would have really affected my parents, as they still insist that the WT did not agree to support the UN charter. It is important that I have the letter sent to me, and not something from the net, as they won't look. What can I do? Can someone give me some advice? Should I just keep writing to them? Is it coz i'm from Australia, should I send a pre paid envelope for them, or what?

  • belbab

    I have been thinking of writing to my country's representative to the UN. If people in different countries wrote to their representatives, perhaps we could get their attention a little bit more.

    I think the UN asked them to resign, if I remember Hawkaws telephone conversation with Hoeffel's office, the lady said something like, No one messes with the UN. I am sure this is on the UN threads somewhere, when they first started.


  • In_between_days

    cool. I'm not even aware if the UN has a representative in AUS, or where it is. Help again?

  • sf

    Good for you on doing our own homework.

    I've sent all these documents, coupled with the Navy and Rand docs to the White House and many other politicians around the nation.

    Yes TED...THE NATIONS shall KNOW.......


  • Swan

    Our old Circuit Overseer Bill Baxter told us to watch the United Nations for the signs of the time of the end. I don't think he knew he was talking about the end of the WTBTS!

  • myself

    SP, I hope this will help your family to see what you have been trying to tell them. I have been inactive for years, but this was a topic my sister brought to my attention last winter (along with some other issues), and she told me about this discussion forum. After two days sitting at the computer keyboard I finally got the courage to type in what I was looking for. Up until that time I still thought that the dubs had the truth....until I found out the truth about the dubs Hang in there, you never know what may get through to them.

  • Monster

    Hey StinkyPantz be sure to tell us what your parents say about the letter. I can't wait to read it

  • hawkaw


    They WILL write you back.

    You just NEED to write to the right person.

    So my friend, - screw Paul Hoeffel's group - write directly to his bosses and phone them too!!!!

    Lyutha Al-Mughairy, Chief, Public Liaison Service, Department of Public Information, United Nations, New York, New York, United States of America, 10017 (Telephone 1-212-963-1234 Facsimile 1-212-963-4879)


    Shashi Tharoor, Interim Head, Department of Public Information, United Nations, New York, New York, United States of America, 10017 (Telephone 1-212-963-1234 Facsimile 1-212-963-4879)



    p.s. - Stinky if you want some killer sucess I suggest that you use the Muller quote as well.

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