What Is Wrong With The WT's Dateline Response?

by stevieb1 11 Replies latest jw friends

  • stevieb1
    stevieb1

    I have been following the WT/pedophile issue with interest and below is the WTS response presumably to the Dateline programme. They seem to present a reasonable response to what was presented on the show, but are they hiding anything? Is there anything about their interpretation of Deuteronomy 19:15 or Matthew 18:16 that is defective in some way? What about any vacillations in their understanding on these verses over the years and what cases do they feel these verses DO apply to and are there any inconsistencies?

    My reason for posting this is because there have been so many postings on this matter that it has been hard to keep up with the facts.

    LETTER BEGINS HERE:

    Christian Congregation
    of Jehovah's Witnesses

    2528 Route 22 Patterson NY 12563-2237 Phone (845) 306 1100

    May 24, 2002

    TO ALL CONGREGATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES

    Dear Brothers:

    At Psalm 144:15 we read: "Happy is the people whose God is Jehovah!" We see the truth­fulness of this inspired statement when we associate with our brothers and sisters at conventions, assemblies, and congregation meetings. We enjoy a warm atmosphere of peace while we benefit from fine spiritual encouragement from Jehovah and his organization. (Psalm 29:11) What a con­trast to those of the world who lack true spiritual guidance and a solid hope for the future! --Isaiah 65:13.

    What enables us to maintain our happy spirit? For one thing, we fear Jehovah and we deeply respect the admonition in His Word, including what the Bible says on sexual matters. (1 Corinthians 6:9,10; Hebrews 13:4) At first, it was not easy for some of us to bring our lives into harmony with Jehovah's elevated standards. We had to make significant changes in our lifestyle before we could qualify for membership in Jehovah's clean, spirit-directed organization. Was it worth the effort? Absolutely! How happy we are to be living in harmony with God's righteous re­quirements!

    In recent weeks, the press in this country has focused attention on the way accusations of child abuse are handled by various religious organizations. Such reports may cause some sincere individuals to ask about the procedures followed by Jehovah's Witnesses, Therefore, we believe that it will be beneficial to review with you our Bible-based position, so that you will "know how you ought to give an answer" to any who may inquire.-Colossians 4:6.

    Simply stated, we abhor the sexual abuse of children and will not protect any perpetrator of such repugnant acts from the consequences of his gross sin. (Romans 12:9) We expect the elders to investigate every allegation of child abuse. Even one abused child is one too many. However, in evaluating the evidence, they must bear in mind the Bible's clear direction: "No single witness should rise up against a man respecting any error or any sin .... At the mouth of two witnesses or at the mouth of three witnesses the matter should stand good." (Deuteronomy 19:15) Later, this requirement to consider testimony of two or three witnesses was confirmed by Jesus. (Mat­thew 18:16) Thus, although they investigate every allegation, the elders in not authorized by the Scriptures to take congregational action unless there is a confession or there are two credible wit­nesses, However, if two persons are witnesses to separate incidents of the same kind of wrongdo­ing, their testimony can be deemed sufficient to take action.--l Timothy 5:19, 24, 25.

    What if someone is a proven child molester? The article "Let Us Abhor What is Wicked!" published in the January 1, 1997, issue of The Watchtower had this to say on page 29: "For the pro­tection of our children, a man known to have been a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation. Moreover, he cannot be a pioneer or serve in any other special, full-time service." We take such decisive action because we are concerned with maintaining Bible standards and protecting our children. (1 Timothy 3:2, 9, 10) Everyone in the organization is ex-

    To All Congregations in the United States

    May 24, 2002

    Page 2

    pected to meet the same requirements, namely, to be clean physically, mentally, morally, and spiri­tually.-- l Corinthians 7: 1; Ephesians 4:17-19; 1 Thessalonians 2:4.

    We have long instructed elders to report allegations of child abuse to the authorities where required by Law to do so, even where there is only one witness. (Romans 13:1) In any case, the el­ders know that if the victim wishes to make a report, it is his or her absolute right to do so.----Gala­tians 6:5.

    At least since 1981, articles have been published in our journals, The Watchtower and Awake!, with a view to educating Jehovah's people and the public on the need to protect children from child abuse. Besides the above-quoted article, there was the article. "Help For the Victims of Incest," which appeared in the October 1, 1983, Watchtower. Awake! has featured such articles as "Your Child is in Danger!" "How Can We Protect Our Children?," and "Prevention in the Home" (October 8, 1993) as well as "Child Molesting-Every Mother's Nightmare," in its January 22, 1985 issue.

    We believe that we have a strong, Bible-based policy on child abuse. Over the years, as we have noted areas where our policy could be strengthened, we have not hesitated to follow through. At Kingdom Ministry Schools the elders receive ongoing reminders regarding this policy and related matters. And we continue to urge the elders to follow closely the procedures that we have es­tablished.

    The moral cleanness of the congregation continues to be of vital concern to the "faithful and discreet slave." (Matthew 24:45) As we keep applying Scriptural principles in our lives, our hap­piness will increase. We trust that these reminders will be helpful to you as you share the Kingdom hope with right-hearted ones. We have much to look forward to in the way of spiritual refreshment as we attend the "Zealous Kingdom Proclaimers" District Conventions. What a happy prospect! Yes, there is no doubt about it: "Happy is the people whose God is Jehovah!"-Psalm 144:15.

    Your brothers,

    Christian Congregation

    of Jehovahs Witnesses

    Note to the presiding overseer: Please have this letter read at the first Service Meeting following its receipt. The letter should be read by one of the elders. All Scriptures that are cited but not quoted should be read.

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    I think Im going to puke...

    1) Must have 2 witnesses as evidence

    2) Molestors dont do concerts

    3) So Molestors stay 4 ever

    PUKE......PUKE......PUKE

  • Room 215
    Room 215

    Earth to Brooklyn... Earth to Brooklyn..... cut out the empty rhetoric and pompous high-sounding verbosity.... just advise your people to report any allegations of child molestation to Caesar's authorities and let them take it from there.... you're good at washing your hands when you want to; why not in this case?

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    WBTS pats themselves on the back for the same policies that created the pediphile problem in the first place.WBTS enjoys wallowing in it`s own filth,and needs it`s brain dead members to applaud them.How else can they keep the pediphiles safe?...OUTLAW

  • LB
    LB

    That letter is really sad. By pounding on the two witness thing they've again instructed their elders to do nothing in regards to child molestation. Since there are never more than one witness present during any sexual abuse of a child.

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hi Stevie1: Example from their letter:

    We have long instructed elders to report allegations of child abuse to the authorities where required by Law to do so, even where there is only one witness.

    THIS STATEMENT IS A DELIBERATE, WILLFUL, VICIOUS LIE, MEANT TO DECEIVE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, THE PUBLIC, AND THE AUTHORITIES AND CAUSE THE MAXIMUM POSSIBLE HARM BY PROTECTING THE ORGANIZATION, AND BY EXTENTION PROTECTING THE PEDOPHILE TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE INNOCENT VICTIMS.

    Historically, JW Elders have been told orally by Circuit and District Overseers, and by the Service Desk (Ref. the recording on NBC Dateline from the Service Desk) ... to not report such matters because we are NOT the civil police ... and for he organization to write this kind of letter is the HEIGHT OF SOCIAL AND MORAL IRRESPONSIBILITY NEARLY EQUAL IN STENCH TO THAT OF TERRORISM.

  • HoChiMin
    HoChiMin

    Amazing,

    I personally have been on the phone with, WT Service desk and WT Legal and reporting is the last thing they wanted to do. It is positively true that in a non reporting state (US) you were discouraged from contacting the authorities. I would call the authorities anonymously.

    HCM

  • RedhorseWoman
    RedhorseWoman

    The "two-witness" rule is absolutely absurd when dealing with sexual abuse of children. Additionally, this act is a CRIMINAL offense, and the elders have no business trying to deal with it themselves.

    Even if they feel there is nothing they can do within the congregation, it should be mandatory for elders to report any allegations of child molestation to the authorities so that a proper investigation can take place.

    Stating that parents are not prevented from reporting the matter themselves is not sufficient. JWs are taught repeatedly that they should not take their "brother" to court, and that the elders should handle all matters occurring within the congregation. Most JW parents would never consider going to worldly authorities if the elders had pronounced someone innocent. After all, the elders speak for God...who are they to question them?

  • ISP
    ISP

    'Thus, although they investigate every allegation, the elders in not authorized by the Scriptures to take congregational action unless there is a confession or there are two credible witnesses, However, if two persons are witnesses to separate incidents of the same kind of wrongdoing, their testimony can be deemed sufficient to take action'

    I thought this was strange. You have the 2 witness policy enforced then you have the suggestion that a single witness in two different incidents would constitute 'two' witnesses!

    Really? Likelihood is each individual case would be dismissed for lack of proof and any word elsewhere would be considered slander. So you don't get anywhere. Furthermore, the two witness policy clearly allows the paedophile at least one more opportunity to abuse before he is dealt with.

  • Dutchie
    Dutchie

    I wonder why its necessary to keep telling the publishers how "happy" they are?

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