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by Kent 29 Replies latest jw friends

  • Wendy
    Wendy

    Simon,

    I hope you can take what I have to say here in the same spirit that you posted your reply. I am not trying to fan the flames of a war here, I simply would like to add my opinion here.

    Kent has been here since March of last year, his posting habits have been the same since that time. I never saw an increase in certain pic or stories he posted, except perhaps during flame wars. As for the Bin Laden pic, wasn't that way back in November? He started his board in March where a few people went to post. At that time he was very upset with you and took down the link for JWD. In response you returned the favor and took down his link. I can understand why you did this. Being human does has it's down side

    There was a poster once who said if we all(those involved in flame wars) did not care we would not even reply. There are hurt feelings all around, I admit to having my feelings hurt, and hurting others. When I returned here to post, I decided that I would not become involved in hurting anothers feelings. I also have attempted to stay away from those who have hurt my feelings in the past. In real life we would be able to completly end a relationship such as this, in cyber world much thought must go into this decision.

    You have said you have much respect for Kent and all of the work he does. I am sure he has respect for the work you put into the discussion board. There are bad feelings between you, and it is understandable. But who wins? Who loses? IMO there are only losers here. Those who visit Kent's site and do not know of the support that can be found here, and those who visit here and do not know of Kent's information. Both you and Kent are detrimental to those people, due to your pride.

    As I said, I do not want to cause any bad feelings here, I just felt compelled to Box both of you on the ears and tell you to grow up Life is too short and the ones who are leaving the society NEED both of you.

    Bowing out now,

    wendy

  • Southland
    Southland

    I don't know this Kent guy from Joe like most of you do, but do remember thinking how he seems to use the F word all the time in so many of his posts. I said to myself, "ick, this guy is a scary radical." It just seemed that he has so much anger, more anger than most of us, about the WBT&S. It does seem that he has done much good work in exposing the Society's faults ... but, still, I tend to shy away from the message when it's delivered in such a manner. I have looked at his board and left feeling "dirty."

    I appreciate that I don't think I have ever seen Simon swear on this forum other than using the everyday polite "damn" types of swears. Simon just seems so much more even-tempered and less "drop poop and scatter."

    Just my two cents.

  • Simon
    Simon

    Wendy. I'm glad you don't want to fan any flames - neither do I.

    I wanted to set the record straight as to why the link was removed and make it clear that I don't want a repeat of the previous performances. As for what was posted when and why, I'm sure everyone is capable of reading and deciding things for themselves - other than the obsceneties that have been removed, everything on this site is still where it was and available to read (although the threads are locked to stop them being resurrected).

    I am surprised that Kent was 'upset with me' but couldn't face emailing me? I wouldn't have thought Kent would hold back from saying what he thought (or am I really scary, lol)

    As far as I am concerned, what happend happend and is now in the past and we should all start again. Remember who the real enemy is! All together now ...

    "We should unite against the common foe ... The people's front of Judea?! ... Splitters!!"

    (Monty Python, Life of Brian in case it was too obscure)

  • Matty
    Matty

    Ahh, Simon. I was scared to watch the "blasphemous" Life of Brian for many years. I now consider it a work of supreme genius.

  • Kent
    Kent

    Simon said: I am surprised that Kent was 'upset with me' but couldn't face emailing me? I wouldn't have thought Kent would hold back from saying what he thought (or am I really scary, lol)

    Not at all, and I was not "upset". I really suspected you to do about exactly what you did - and I just can't see no need for fueling flames. Even if you won't admit it - not even to yourself - the never ending flame wars and attacks on all and every one was the reason I left. AS for your constant whining about me trying to "ruin your site" to make people move to mine, is - in my opinion - of a kind I simply refuse to give a serious answer to. And I don't think anyone but lunatics believe you.

    The same goes for emailing you. If you have something to tell me, send me a mail. But don't sling cheap shots because I don't have you in my mailinglist, pretending I'm "scared" of facing you some way or the other. I believe Wendy actually summed a lot up rather nicely.

    Just to tell you one thing - and to remind you that you are actually LYING when you claim I removed all links to your site from the Watchtower Observer. I did not, and the link to your forum is - and has always been - on the LINKS page.

    http://observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?Avis=WO&Kategori=LINKS1&Dato=20020401&Lopenr=130005&Ref=AR

    What I did do, was removing the banner to your site - and I did this because lots of people didn't enjoy the fighting, cheap shots, harassment and shit going on here. How this site is today, I don't know. I'm not a regular visitor - and I only visit when I do get a mail telling me there is something that might be interesting to me.

    The exeption was to post this message that started this thread. This because I really believe some people around could use the information. My reasons for not spending time here are the same as before - and on top of that - I simply don't have the time.

    If you have anything to say to me, send me a mail. It's as easy as that. But I simply refuse to start a lot of crap - even if it's the site owner who is sending the invitation!

    Kent

  • AMNESIAN
    AMNESIAN

    Simon:

    Remember who the real enemy is
    Which is precisely the reason the link to the WO site needs to be restored to its most useful place alongside the other critical links displayed on JWD. The tit-for-tat nonsense that consequented its removal, if you'll pardon my bluntness, would appear to serve solely childish ends with the regrettable result of depriving of information and resources those most desperately in need of it.

    Though discussion, per se, certainly has its curative benefits (assuming here that was the motive for JWD's creation in the first place) for former cultists, not surprisingly, very little of it informs in the same way as does actual inform-ation.

    AMNESIAN

    Edited because it's my post and I felt like it.

    Edited by - AMNESIAN on 19 June 2002 17:51:4

  • Simon
    Simon

    Kent.

    I prefer facts to opinions and the fact is you posted an aweful lot of crap here, the kind of stuff that I suspect you would immediately kick people off your forum if anyone posted it there.You did this this in the weeks when you were setting up your forum and then pointed to these posts as an example of why you didn't like the atmosphere here - exactly the same tactic that you had used with H2O previously. This is a fact. All the posts are there for people to read and decide themselves and I don't think calling people 'lunatics' will not stop people seeing the truth.

    You accuse me of lying about removing all the links to this site? I think you are twisting things - when have I ever claimed this? The fact is, you had a link to this site on yours (from the homepage) and removed it (if you like I can pull up the post for you that you made to remind you) and I removed the link to yours that was on all the pages on this site. This is not a links site and I don't pretend that the links at the bottom of the page are a comprehensive list - there is a limited amount of space and different sites have appeared and disappeared without any controversy or complaint. However, I did not remove the link just because you removed yours but because you were abusive and made unpleasant accusations about me and others on this forum.

    It has actually been rather peaceful on here lately apart from the odd visit from people to try and stir things up and I intend to keep it that way. You are welcome to post information about the WatchTower and JWs but I would appreciate if you did not resort to posting any porn, obsceneties, snide remarks, mis-information and lies.

  • Wendy
    Wendy

    Just going to stick to facts here.

    Kent has posted the same type of material since he started posting here, for over a whole year.

    The DB did not take weeks to start up.This is what you are assuming Simon. As evidenced by the recent ExJWsRaw site on MSN. The only thing it needed were people who were familiar with rach other.

    Kent has a link to JWD up on his site now.

    Kent refuses for anyone to talk about JWD on his board...psst it is a bad word, turns into funny astericks if someone posts it.

    These bad feelings will probably never go away...but they will lesson.

    The ex JW community is small and we are all fighting one common foe. Using all of our assets to do that would behoove us all.

    I am sure I can add a few more facts here...but I need to run haha.

    Simon, be a big man and post a link. It smells like bad grapes if you don't (MO of course)

    wendy

  • Simon
    Simon

    Yes, I think we'll get no-where fast arguing over what and why ... if Kent want's a link to WO then I am happy to add one.

    I suggest any further discussion about other matters is conducted by email or phone.

  • Kismet
    Kismet

    post deleted after reading Simon's post above.

    Kismet

    Edited by - Kismet on 19 June 2002 19:8:12

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