Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT a Cult......so they say.

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  • Tenacious
    Tenacious

    Trying to develop a good strategy for relatives still partially indoctrinated by this despicable inhumane cult. I researched their own material and I found some good info on how they don't mind control anyone. The following unedited information was sourced from their February 15, 1994 Watchtower p. 5-7. I've highlighted some sentences that we all know are lies and a distortion of the reality of their community:

    Are Jehovah’s Witnesses a Cult?

    JESUS CHRIST was accused of being a drunkard, a glutton, a Sabbath breaker, a false witness, a blasphemer of God, and a messenger of Satan. He was also accused of being subversive.—Matthew 9:34; 11:19; 12:24; 26:65; John 8:13; 9:16; 19:12.

    After Jesus’ death and resurrection, his disciples were likewise the target of serious accusations. One group of first-century Christians were dragged to the city rulers by people crying out: ‘These men have overturned the inhabited earth.’ (Acts 17:6) On another occasion the apostle Paul and his companion Silas were taken to the authorities and charged with greatly disturbing the city of Philippi.—Acts 16:20.

    Paul was later accused of being a “pestilent fellow and stirring up seditions among all the Jews throughout the inhabited earth” and of trying “to profane the temple.” (Acts 24:5, 6) The principal men of the Jews in Rome accurately described the situation of Jesus’ followers when they acknowledged: “For truly as regards this sect it is known to us that everywhere it is spoken against.”—Acts 28:22.

    Evidently, this new group established by Jesus Christ was considered by some to be a religious group with radical views and practices that clashed with what was accepted in those days as normal social behavior. Undoubtedly, many today would have considered the Christians a destructive cult. The accusers were often prominent and respected members of the community, and this seems to have added weight to the allegations. Many believed the accusations against Jesus and his disciples. Yet, as you probably know, every one of these charges was false! The fact that people said these things did not make them true.

    What about today? Would it be accurate to refer to Jehovah’s Witnesses as a religious group with radical views and practices that clash with what is accepted as normal social behavior? Are Jehovah’s Witnesses a cult?

    What the Evidence Shows

    A government official of the city of St. Petersburg, Russia, explained: “Jehovah’s Witnesses were presented to us as some kind of underground sect sitting in the darkness and slaughtering children and killing themselves.” However, the people of Russia have recently become better acquainted with the true nature of the Witnesses. After working with Jehovah’s Witnesses in connection with an international convention, the same official observed: “Now I see normal, smiling people, even better than many people I know. They are peaceful and calm, and they love one another very much.” He added: “I really do not understand why people tell such lies about them.”

    Jehovah’s Witnesses do not hold ritualistic meetings, nor is their worship cloaked in secrecy. Non-Witness author Julia Mitchell Corbett notes: “When they meet, usually more than once a week, in Kingdom Halls (their meeting sites are not called churches), most of their time is spent in Bible study and discussion.” Their meeting places are clearly marked with a sign. The meetings are open, and the general public is invited to attend. Unannounced guests are more than welcome.

    The “Witnesses have earned the reputation of being honest, courteous, and industrious,” adds Corbett in her book Religion in America. Many who are not Witnesses readily acknowledge that there is nothing freakish or bizarre about Jehovah’s Witnesses. Their conduct does not clash with what is accepted as normal social behavior. The New Encyclopædia Britannica accurately states that the Witnesses “insist upon a high moral code in personal conduct.”

    The director of news and special projects for a television station in the United States wrote to Jehovah’s Witnesses in response to a biased report about the Witnesses on the TV news show 60 Minutes. He said: “If more people lived the way your faith does, this nation wouldn’t be in the shape it is in. I am one newsman who knows that your organization is founded on love and a strong faith in the Creator. I want you to know that not all News people are as biased.”

    A Well-Known Religion

    Is it fair to say that Jehovah’s Witnesses are a small fringe religious group? In a sense, Jehovah’s Witnesses are few in number compared to some religions. However, recall what Jesus said: “Narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.”—Matthew 7:13, 14.

    At any rate, the Witnesses are far from being a small fringe cult. In the spring of 1993, more than 11 million people attended the Witnesses’ Memorial of Christ’s death. But more important than their number are their moral character and exemplary behavior, which have brought them worldwide commendation. Undoubtedly this has been a factor in countries that have given them official recognition as a known, bona fide religion.

    Outstanding is a recent ruling by the European Court of Human Rights. It declared that the Witnesses should enjoy freedom of thought, conscience, and religion and that they have the right to speak about their faith and teach it to others. This would hardly be the case if Jehovah’s Witnesses were known to use deceptive and unethical techniques to recruit members or if they used manipulative methods to control the minds of their followers.

    Multitudes around the world are well acquainted with Jehovah’s Witnesses. Of the millions of non-Witnesses who are studying the Bible with the Witnesses or who have studied with them at one time or another, we ask, Were there any attempts to brainwash you? Did the Witnesses employ mind-control techniques on you? “No” would doubtless be your frank response. Obviously, if these methods had been used, there would be an overwhelming number of victims in contradiction to any argument in favor of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    “Absorbed in Humanity”

    Cult members often isolate themselves from family, friends, and even society in general. Is that the case with Jehovah’s Witnesses? “I do not belong to Jehovah’s Witnesses,” wrote a newsman in the Czech Republic. Yet he added: “It is obvious that they [Jehovah’s Witnesses] have tremendous moral strength. . . . They recognize governmental authorities but believe that only God’s Kingdom is capable of solving all human problems. But watch it—they are not fanatics. They are people who are absorbed in humanity.”

    And they do not live in communes, isolating themselves from relatives and others. Jehovah’s Witnesses recognize that it is their Scriptural responsibility to love and care for their families. They live and work with people of all races and religions. When disasters strike, they are quick to respond with relief supplies and other humanitarian assistance.

    More important, they are engaged in an educational program that has no comparison. How many religions have an organized system to pay personal visits to every individual in their community? Jehovah’s Witnesses do this in more than 200 lands and in more than 200 languages! Clearly, Jehovah’s Witnesses are “absorbed in humanity.”

    Strict Adherence to the Bible

    Admittedly, the teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses are different from those provided by the churches. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jehovah is the almighty God and that Jesus is his Son, not part of a triune deity. Their faith is anchored in the belief that God’s Kingdom alone can bring relief to suffering humanity. They warn people of the imminent destruction of this corrupt system of things. They preach about God’s promise of an earthly paradise for obedient mankind. They do not venerate the cross. They do not celebrate Christmas. They believe that the soul is mortal and that there is no hellfire. They will not eat blood, nor will they accept blood transfusions. They abstain from involvement in politics and participation in warfare. Have you ever asked yourself why the teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses are so different?

    A Massachusetts newspaper, the Daily Hampshire Gazette, explains that Jehovah’s Witnesses’ “strict interpretation of the Bible forbids many activities others take for granted . . . , all in an effort to follow the example of first-century Christians and the word of the Bible.” The Encyclopedia of Religion agrees that “all that they believe is based on the Bible. They ‘proof text’ (that is, supply a biblical citation to support) almost every statement of faith, taking for granted the authority of the Bible, which entirely supplants tradition.” The book Religion in America states: “The group has never wavered from its focus on Bible study, and its teachings are supported by an elaborate system of references to scripture.”

    Who Is Their Leader?

    It is precisely because of this close adherence to Bible teachings that the veneration and idolization of human leaders so characteristic of cults today is not to be found among Jehovah’s Witnesses. They reject the concept of a clergy-laity distinction. The Encyclopedia of Religion aptly states about Jehovah’s Witnesses: “A clergy class and distinctive titles are prohibited.”

    They follow Jesus Christ as their Leader and as Head of the Christian congregation. It was Jesus who said: “Do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your teacher, whereas all you are brothers. Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One. Neither be called ‘leaders,’ for your Leader is one, the Christ.”—Matthew 23:8-12.

    It is clear that Jehovah’s Witnesses are as far from being a cult as Jesus was from being a glutton and a drunkard. Admittedly, not everyone who was influenced by the false reports about Jesus and his disciples fell into the trap of slandering him. Some may simply have been misinformed. If you have questions about Jehovah’s Witnesses and their beliefs, why not get to know them better? The doors to their Kingdom Halls are wide open to all who seek truth.

    You can also benefit from their careful search for accurate Bible knowledge and learn how to worship God in harmony with Jesus’ words: “The hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him.”—John 4:23.

  • Witness My Fury
    Witness My Fury

    reminds me of this:

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    If I were talking to JW's I would not waste my time "proving" they are a cult. For a start you get bogged down in the mire of things they are not, that they say are the signs of something being a cult, as in the stuff you quote. Who cares what they are not ?

    Admittedly a good number of the things they say can be refuted. But what you need to do is have a firm idea of what your aim is, and I bet that the small victory of perhaps getting them to admit that it is very cult-like is not merely what you wish to achieve.

    Some JW's even think that all the cult-like things that we hate are good for them ! the Mind-control , "my mind needs controlling", the Information control " I like to know I can trust what I read ", the Behaviour Control " Bad associations Blah Blah" etc etc

    The best approach is to get them to question things by innocent little remarks like "Don't you think Bro Morris went a little too far with his comments about...."and get them to talk about the control of every minute part of their lives. Adapt for the other things.

    You can perhaps say eventually to them that they are without doubt in a group that acts like North Korea if they care to honestly look at it.

    Avoid the word "cult".

  • Onager
    Onager

    I like to use "High Control Religion" instead of cult. They don't go into auto-shutdown because you've said they're a religion and then there's a chance you can start discussing the high control bit.

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    Not a cult?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • flipper
    flipper

    TENACOIUS- The writers or the Witnesses can say anything they like, but what they DO are two different things. Jehovah's Witnesses are STILL a mind control cult being controlled by every whim or any direction the WT Society says the organization is going to move towards. Case in point are all of the child abuse cases ( 25 to 30 ) in the United States going on right now against the WT Society. WT Society CONTROLS it's elders and GB members from testifying in court, CONTROLS and PREVENTS any child abuse documents concerning the WT Society child abuse policies from appearing in court- even when demanded by the judge. WT Society REFUSES to allow elders to reveal the identity of child molesters disciplined in congregations so that parents may protect their children. So JW members do NOT have access to ANY information from elders or WT leaders so as to protect themselves from the crimes of child abuse. Elders are told to report child abuse to Bethel legal first, and police not at all when they first receive reports of child abuse . THAT is control.

    Also - JW members are REQUIRED to shun any former JW members even if family members whether DFed, dissassociated or inactive if that relative has NEGATIVE views or feelings about the WT Society Witnesses are told to shun that person so as to not hear " negative " information regarding WT Society. THAT is information control and mind control.

    Another example : JW's will bold face tell you to your face that the WT Society does NOT discourage higher education like college- but that is a LIE. In the WT Society's publications AND at assemblies in talks, over the platform at Kingdom halls - MANY times JW's have been discouraged from going to college to receive a higher education. And this in itself is another way that the WT Society MIND CONTROLS JW's minds so they will NOT develop critical thinking skills in order to see through the WT Society mind control and mindset.

    Also- WT Society mind controls JW's to believe the END is coming - even getting JW's to believe that Jesus second coming or the " generation " is not one " generation " but two " overlapping generations " in which the time of the end will last longer before Paradise comes. This is ALSO a lie and twisting of scriptures AND mind control towards Witnesses to help the WT Society FURTHER it's financial control and mind control in the future towards Witnesses.

    So, yes, Jehovah's Witnesses ARE a mind control cult being controlled by WT Society leaders

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

    Obviously, if these methods had been used, there would be an overwhelming number of victims in contradiction to any argument in favor of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    That statement by Watchtower is something I completely agree with, but as it turns out that statement presents a challenging situation given what we have access to today.

    Here: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/04/brainwashing-watchtowers-challenge.html

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

    Watchtower Identifies Brainwashing

    http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/04/watchtower-identifies-brainwashing.html

    I recommend photocopying page 10 of the January 22, 1990 issue of Awake magazine. Circle the appropriate paragraph and then share a few facts of the matter with a JW who cares enough to have the discussion. If you need a few facts of the matter to share the short article linked to above give two doozies.

  • OneEyedJoe
    OneEyedJoe

    I like Breakfast of Champions method of introducing the idea of JWism as a cult. In his thread, he detailed how he took Steve Hassan's detailed BITE model list and replaced "cult" with "group" and showed it to his wife as a list from someone who had never heard of JWs (which, at the time of his writing the list, was the case for Hassan).

    Also, it's fun to compare the JW, mormon, scientologist, etc websites. They always have a FAQ entry for "are you a cult" or something similar. They always like to redefine what a cult is in their own terms. You'll never find a reference to the BITE model in there, it's always about how long the religion has been around, how many members it has, whatever.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    I prefer "authoritarian high-control group".

    A bit wordy, but break it down and strictly define each of the term's individual components (fractions?), and I think even a died-in-the-wool JW would have a hard time refuting the designation.

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