There's something wrong with you .... . (page 4)

lisaBObeesa

There's no substitute for it. You can either [even?] put the working effort in, give 'em the best opportunities -- you know when you do all of that, they have to make the truth their own.

This leaves no room for doubt: if your child does not "make the truth his own" it is because you, the parent, did not put in enough effort.

(I remember growing up with this same teaching and feeling so bad that my parents were going to blame themselves when I eventually left.)

ETA: never mind...see a few posts below...

the two youngest boys didn't do as much in the truth, they're not even involved serving in the congregation.

So the youngest kids are still IN the "truth" but this dad has to carry around a ton of guilt anyway because they are not in the "truth" enough? Is being a publisher in good standing no longer enough to be considered 'good'?

millie210

I know a nice couple that raised their two sons in the truth. They all pioneered together and did a lot recreationally with other young people and so on.

Both boys left the truth.

Then there was this other young man....he never knew his father. His mom would attend in spurts and then not attend. Her new husband was an ex con who threw the kid out at 16.

No one in the congregation did much to help this young man either. Everyone just kind of ignored the situation.

He is the one who stayed in the truth.

So much for parents being the determining factor.

Apognophos

Sorry lisaBObeesa, but I have listened to that sentence again and I have to make an important correction to my transcript which makes that statement clearer. I was confused about his use of what sounded like "even" at the start of the sentence and thought maybe he meant "either", because I misheard the part after "opportunities". What he actually said was:

You can even put the working effort in, give 'em the best opportunities -- even when you do all of that, they have to make the truth their own.

So he's trying to disclaim his story a bit and say that even when you do your best as a parent, your child has to make the truth their own. I think the rest of my transcript is accurate, but I'm sorry to say that I botched that sentence the first time through. However, no matter what disclaimers he makes, Morris' story is definitely going to make parents of "wayward" children feel guiity.

lisaBObeesa

Ok, I see!

whathappened

I posted thiscomment on another thread, but 1 Timothy 3:12 says that MS's should be husband of one wife, presiding overchildren and household in a fine manner! Sounds like TO MO III has it ass backward!

DATA-DOG

Can we have a transcript of the whole thing?? My wife doesn't believe TOMO said inactive ones are going to die like worldly people.

DD

sowhatnow

wow, 23 huh? and the perfect man Jesus wasnt even baptised till he was 30.

guess he couldnt find a wife because he wasnt a ministerial servant.

what a bunch of stupid nonsense. good thing i did not go, with my mom, id have got up and wlaked out.

Blackfalcon98

At 19 I WAS PISSED! An looking at my FB thread.....this crap stuck! Its ok though, if a young brother isnt a servant and a sister wont marry him because of it....he should count it a blessing from Jah! Especially if he knows TTATT, if she is that indoctrinated....she will give him alot of problems....and instead of a three-fold cord with Jehovah God, it will be a threefold cord with the borg. SMH

Blessing, in disguise: NOW THATS THE GOD I KNOW!

Oubliette

Apognophos, thanks for taking the time to transcribe that segment of AM3's talk. It must've been painful.

After reading it word for word, I find that this is much more insidious than if he'd come right out and said, "There's something wrong with a brother that isn't a MS by 23."

The way he presented it is classic GB: implication, suggestion, innuendo and hints. It's even MORE manipulative that Morris put the words in the mouth of "a father of 7."

If Morris had come right out and said what we all know he meant, then many (more) people would have rejected it; however, by presenting it the subtle way he did, it's much more likely to have the desired effect: parents questioning themselves and feeling guilty, young men questiong themselves and feeling guilty, young women questioning themselves and their husbands and feeling both guilty and that they made the wrong decision.

It's masterful propaganda using highly skilled techniques of manipulatiion.

Let's review: It's a cult!

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Oubliette

A friend of mine commented, rightly so, that AM3 didn't actually say a lot of the things that we here on JWN are saying he said.

This is true.

I also believe this is worthy of note. There's a reason for this and it's purposeful and deliberate.

The WT leadership are masters of not saying things directly, but nevertheless getting their point across. They've learned from their more direct statements of the past. Even then, they would say, "We didn't say that. You just took it that way."

Now they have mastered the art of implication (see my post above).

But if you have any doubts as to whether or not Anthony Morris III laid down any "rules" in his talk on Saturday tries this you young men in the congregation: show up to meeting in a "metrosexual suit" with tight pants and colored socks and see what kind of reaction you get.

For sisters, wear spanx when you go for a jog.

Parents, don't go to Bethel and woe to you if your kids are all in "the Truth" but your sons aren't MSs by 23 years of age.

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