"PEACE & SECURITY" has been decla...

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  • proplog2
    proplog2

    Declarations of peace occur at regular intervals. Wars end and
    treaties are signed. Big deal. So what's new? Watchtower prophets
    have fallen into quite a few of these traps.

    When the Nixon/Kissinger detente was the popular foreign policy of
    the early 70's a special Awake was devoted to the "peace" that was
    taking shape. Various UN declarations have been seized as the
    hoped for cry of "peace & security". (1Thes 5:3)

    It is easy to get discouraged. After all, who can give serious
    consideration to an ambiguous sign like a pronouncement of "peace
    & security". How do you know which cry of "peace & security" is
    THE special one which is to be followed by sudden destruction? We
    can be sure that all of the previous declarations of "peace &
    security" were NOT special for the simple reason that they weren't
    followed by the prophesied "destruction".

    There is another important scripture where destruction occurs
    during a period of peace. That scripture gives us some clues about
    the context of this special event. Daniel 8:25 shows us that
    "peace" is used by a world ruler as a deceptive tactic so that he
    can use the element of surprise to bring destruction on his
    enemies. "And according to his insight he will also certainly
    cause deception to succeed in his hand. And in his heart he will
    put on great airs, and during A FREEDOM FROM CARE he will bring
    many to ruin. And against the Prince of princes he will stand up,
    but it will be without hand that he will be broken."

    Look closely and seriously at the pronouncements that have emerged
    from the recent summit between Bush & Putin.

    "this visit was a visit of peace, where we cast aside the old ways
    of suspicion and now embrace peace." Bush

    "When I got out of college in 1968, America and the Soviet Union
    were enemies -- bitter enemies. Today, America and Russia are
    friends. It's important for you to know that that era is long gone,
    as far as I'm concerned. The treaty we signed says a lot about
    nuclear arms; it speaks about the need for peace; but it also says
    the Cold War is over, and America and Russia need to be, and will
    be, friends, for the good of the world." Bush

    Today the two presidents will seal a treaty to radically slash the
    offensive nuclear arsenals of both sides from the current levels of
    around 6,000 warheads each to about 2,000 each by the year 2012.
    ...the deal is more far-reaching than even the wildest cold war-era
    hopes for disarmament- Christian Science Monitor.

    The cold war-era strategic calculus is no longer the crucial
    measure of relations, optimists say, but rather economic and more
    mundane political issues have come to the fore. "That is a major,
    and probably permanent, shift from the past," says Anatoly Bursov,
    a professor at the Diplomatic Academy.

    "The Soviet era is gone. The Cold War, I hope, is
    past us. And today, President Putin and I signed an historic
    document. It was more than just a document that reduces nuclear
    weaponry, although that in itself is good. It's a document that
    says there's a new era ahead of us; that instead of being stuck in
    the past, these two leaders are willing to take two great countries
    forward in a new relationship built on common interests and
    cooperation. And cooperation on all fronts" Bush

    "Today, as Bush and Putin meet again on Russian soil, there is a
    lot of talk about finally putting an end to the old confrontation.
    This new summit is claimed to be the last one on strategic arms and
    the first one on strategic partnership."- Moscow Tribune

    "President Putin and I have signed a treaty that will substantially
    reduce our nuclear -- strategic nuclear warhead arsenals to the
    range of 1,700 to 2,200, the lowest level in decades. This treaty
    liquidates the Cold War legacy of nuclear hostility between our
    countries." BUSH

    "We've also signed a joint declaration of new strategic
    relationship that charts a course toward greater security,
    political and economic cooperation between Russia and the United
    States. Our nations will continue to cooperate closely in the war
    against global terror." BUSH

    "the treaty is setting a period of time in the rear-view mirror of
    both countries. And I am not only confident that this is good for
    world peace, I'm confident this sets the stage for incredible
    cooperation that we've never had before between our countries."
    BUSH

    "There may be old vestiges in place, but Russia's not an
    enemy. You don't think about how to deal with Russia the way they
    used to. Russia is a friend. And that's the new thinking. That's
    part of what's being codified today." BUSH

    FINALLY FROM THE Joint Declaration OF The United States of America
    and the Russian Federation,

    "We are achieving a new strategic relationship. The era in which
    the United States and Russia saw each other as an enemy or
    strategic threat has ended. We are partners and we will cooperate
    to advance stability, security, and economic integration, and to
    jointly counter global challenges and to help resolve regional
    conflicts."

    Probably the most significant thing about this latest declaration
    of peace is that nobody cares. Very little attention has been
    given to the Putin-Bush summit. People are indeed in the state of
    mind described in Daniel 8:25 "freedom from care".

    Daniel 8:24 begins by giving three identifiers of the King that
    would bring about destruction during this "freedom from care".
    He is described as 1. Stern-Faced 2. Master of Deception 3.
    Becomes powerful but not by his own power. I have made several
    posts showing how this applies to Putin. Putin has been described
    by several media pieces as being "stern-faced" (using those exact
    words.) Putin was head of the FSB (KGB equivalent) and therefore
    was a master-spy or professional deceiver. Putins ascension to
    power was by means of appointment (not by his "own power"). Putin
    never held an elected office which is the usual route to the top.
    Therefore Putin had no political constituency. He was made
    president by Yeltsin when he resigned in Jan 2000. Putin gave
    Yeltsin the agreed to protection from criminal charges of
    corruption.

    So what is Putin's purpose in befriending the USA?
    Has Putin REALLY become a friend of the USA? Consider this piece:

    The Rise of Russian Anti-Americanism after September 2001:
    Envy as a Leading Factor
    By Vladimir Shlapentokh
    Professor of sociology at Michigan State University
    ( [email protected])

    " As a common case, the inferiority complex in the Russian mind is
    combined with a claim of superiority over the United States. On the
    same pages of newspapers in which journalists and intellectuals
    downgrade Russia, they go on harangues about their country's
    decisive edge over the U.S. in culture and morals. In Nezavisimaia
    Gazeta, an author depicted Russia as "a country whose greatness is
    based on her spiritual, intellectual and moral potential. Only
    Russia, with her moral position in foreign policy, can oppose the
    American cowboy style in the international arena. If the U.S. is
    permitted to act alone, America herself, along with the whole
    Western civilization, will suffer."

    Some envious Russians dream of revenge against America. They hope
    for new conditions in which "they will have some new power" (for
    instance, by becoming America's major oil supplier) to punish
    America "for what it did to Russia." The mainstream Russian
    newspaper Nezavisimaia Gazeta hinted that America's hegemonic
    policy and its gigantic military expenditures portend a
    catastrophe for the country. These claims were similar to reports
    in Zavtra, which regularly predicts a total collapse of America.

    Reading Putin's mind
    In light of the Russian elites' embedded hatred of America and the
    ease with which they influence the masses, the most pressing
    question is: What does President Putin think of America? Only two
    years ago, he came to power with clear intentions to increase
    Russia's geopolitical role in the world. Though he has obfuscated
    his hostility toward the U.S., it seems clear that he regarded the
    country as a major obstacle to this goal. In fact, Putin has tried
    to flirt with Europe and China in an effort to pit these countries
    against the U.S. While he remains an ostensible advocate of
    cooperation with the U.S., the rise of anti-Americanism in Russia
    has placed his true feelings in question.

    During the Olympics, Putin joined the propagandistic campaign
    against the U.S. The respected Moscow journalist Pavel Felgenhauer
    said on "Echo Moskvy" (a prestigious Moscow radio station) that the
    scandal was initiated directly by the president and it was his idea
    to boycott the Games. The next day Putin downgraded his anger and
    simply mentioned that he was suspicious of the "objectivity" of the
    judges "who live and work in North America." Later he completely
    changed his conduct, dropped the idea of a boycott and
    pretended that nothing special had happened, explaining the
    outcomes as a case of having "too high expectations."

    Even if Putin had no complicity in the ferocious anti-American
    campaign in Russia, he did nothing to calm it. Meanwhile, he has
    decisive control over the mainstream media, particularly the
    television networks. Without his consent it would not be possible
    for the media to sustain the anti-American campaign, which shows no
    signs of slowing down. Indeed, on April 18, Putin gave a long
    presidential address to the Federal Assembly in which he mostly
    ignored the subject of America. The only attempt he made at
    reducing negative feelings toward the West came in his statement
    that "cruel competition for markets, investments, and political and
    economic influence is normal in the international community."

    The views of Putin's close circle of advisors provide another
    glimpse into the president's mind. Putin lives in a milieu that is
    deeply immersed in envy and hatred of America. The editor of
    Moskovskii Novosti Victor Loshak noted, "Putin is forced to rely on
    those inside the country who hate his foreign policy." As another
    prominent author said, "Whatever is the future of the romance with
    the West, Putin's team, which is responsible for foreign
    and defense policy, continues to live by the logic of the Cold
    War." It is hard to believe that while many people in his milieu
    (i.e., leading members of the presidential administration, several
    deputy prime ministers with whom he communicates regularly, and the
    absolute majority of the State Duma, which is firmly controlled by
    his people) are deeply anti-American, the president himself holds
    the opposite view. Such a discrepancy between the feelings of the
    leader and members of his or her team could never happen in
    Washington, London or Beijing. All the more, a blatant disagreement
    like this one has never been tolerated by the supreme leader in all
    of Russian history.

    It is reasonable to assume that Putin's subordinates, who spout
    their anti-American sentiments from time to time, comprehend the
    true feelings of their boss and advance these negative statements
    about the U.S. as a sign of solidarity. Using this logic, it is
    understandable that Putin, who has control of the media, tolerates
    the public critique of his foreign policy. Indeed, there are not
    many Russian politicians and political experts who openly defend
    Putin's foreign policy. None of the eight prominent participants of
    the roundtable discussion, "V.V. Putin: two years after the
    elections, New Frontiers" (organized by the Civil Debate Club in
    Moscow at the end of March), uttered even one word of endorsement
    of the president's foreign policy. Some authors freely accused the
    Kremlin "for its lack of strategic vision in international
    relations," for its acceptance of Russia as "a minor partner" of
    the U.S., and for "delegating decision making about the country's
    national interests to NATO, the European Union and the U.S."
    Boris Yeltsin, who is usually reserved with respect to his heir and
    who had been accused of being submissive toward the West during his
    tenure, recently assailed Putin as a weak leader, particularly in
    his foreign policy.

    It is quite likely that Putin sympathizes with the patriotic
    feelings of his critics. On several occasions, he has openly
    expressed his admiration for the glorious Soviet past; he has also
    talked about the necessity of restoring Russia's greatness. In the
    first months of his tenure, Putin was determined "to stop Russia's
    geopolitical retreat," to use the terminology of the Russian media.
    While remaining sympathetic to the calls for Russia to regain its
    influence in the world, Putin recognizes, perhaps more accurately
    than his critics, the real state of affairs in the country. In the
    past, he has sternly rebuked Russian politicians who strayed from
    a sober assessment of the country's problems. At a recent meeting
    with scholars in Irkutsk, Putin ardently, though not without
    sadness, criticized the wishful thinking of some of his
    interlocutors who demanded Russia's rapid return to its previous
    role in the world.

    Considering his personality, it seems unlikely that he could enjoy
    the role of junior partner of the U.S. At the same time, he can not
    claim to be on equal ground with Bush in view of the gigantic
    economic and military gaps between Russia and the United States.

    There is little doubt that the U.S. has an ambivalent partner in
    Putin. He came to power with the goal of regaining Russia's
    decisive geopolitical role. Now, after only two years, it seems as
    though the president has abandoned this goal. He could hardly be
    fond of those he deems responsible for forcing this outcome. For
    this reason, his mind is open to the pressures of the envious
    elite. The American government should use the utmost
    sensitivity in dealing with the Russian president and be prepared
    for various twists in Russian-American relations in the near
    future." END QUOTE

    Peace has been declared. What's next?
    The Russians could easily explode a nuclear device in Manhattan.
    Terrorists would be blamed. Thus starts the Great Tribulation.

  • dmouse
    dmouse

    Very interesting post, propolog2.

    When I saw all this happening on the news the first thing that occurred to me was the 'peace and security' prophecy (their nano-mindbots are still there, in my head, prompting my thoughts, God damn them!).

    Thinking rationally though, I think this is just another ‘peace and security’ thing, with no special religious relevance. The collapse of communism in Russia and the fall of the wall etc was a far more significant event if you are looking for such stuff.

    In 20, 30, 40+ years time we will be looking for, and finding, the triggers for Armageddon.

    But I agree with you about one thing, that Putin needs to be watched carefully.

  • Guest 77
    Guest 77

    We all have our views on this subject and mine differs greatly in that Russia or China do not rattle me. It's the 'international bankers' that we need to be concerned about. Who ever controls the money in any household is the boss. As they say, money talks. Where do all these non-Christian nation countries get their money from? Foreign aid, U.S. style, yes the American taxpayers. These monies are 'extracted' under the guise of humanitarian aid. Who made it possible, yes, the elite rich, and they made sure that their foundations are tax free! These International Bankers have bankrupted the American taxpayer to the tune of 50 trillion!

    The U.N. was set up to ensure 'peace and security' in 1945 by these international bankers. This elite rich failed to 'sell' the League of Nations to the American Senate so they devised another scheme to introduce the same beast with another name and another twist and the American people bought it under the adminstration of Franklin D. Roosevelt.The Russians were never enemies of the U.S. It was set up by the elite rich to make it 'appear' as such because of their hidden agenda. Keep the people in fear. We are told 'who' are enemies are. Russia was always considered an enemy and now is a friend? They were always friends.

    Why do you think the international bankers have been supplying these contries with money? The Jews, Russians, Germans and Chinese have been made scapegoats (fronts) for the scheming international bankers. Someone other than them must take the fall or blame when their scheming plans fails. Henry Cabot Lodge Sr. saw the ever present of such a scheme i.e. the League of Nations. The Senate refused to endorse the League. However, their were not enough Henry Cabot Lodges to see this same beast emerge in the early forties under a different name. The American public were hoodwinked into accepting the United Nations because 'their' Senate endorsed it. There was a need of an agency to end 'all' wars and this beast emerge as such to fit the bill and yet was rejected earlier under the title, League of Nations! How and why? You can thank the ever scheming evil rich. The American public trusted their politicians yet never realizing that their elected officials were traitors! These men were stooges for the elite rich.

    There is a reason why we are being bombarded with the words terrorists. By the way, this tactic is not new. Anyone who has ever studied the history Native American Indians can see through this facade of terrorism. It's a tool use to deprive people of their individual and collective freedoms. Who better than the Native American Indians who once upon a time roam this continent freely but now live on reserves, a concentration camp without fences know the facts? Study the lifestyle and customs of Native American Indians and then come back and tell me who the REAL terrorist are. Peace and security? What and who's the joke on?

    Diversion/distractions and confusion are the deadly tools of the international bankers. Follow the trail of IMF, International Monetary Fund. The Montreal Gazette dated January 30, 2002 had an article titled " IMF, World Bank meet in Afghanistan." In short, this group wants to set-up a single currency, issued only by the central bank... the article also says, 'The first delegation from the International Monetary Fund and World Bank to visit Afghanistan in 25 years.... How convenient. Control by the elite rich means evaporation of freedoms.

    The mass media is owned and operated by the elite rich. They will feed us all the necessary propaganda as they see fit, meat in due season.

    Guest 77

  • SYN
    SYN

    ROFL, "Peace and Security", PFFFT!

    Even if they reduced their nuclear arsenals to 5% of what there is now, they would still have more than enough to cause the cessation of ALL human life on Earth. Hell, even the cockroaches' prospects would be chancy in that instance. "Peace and security" indeed!

    And that's not counting ALL THE OTHER nuclear-weapon equipped countries out there. There has never been a more dangerous time to be human on this planet.

    Besides, how do you know that those prophecies weren't intended for a time very far in our own future? You can't say, can you?

    "Vaccination has never saved a human life. It does not prevent smallpox." The Golden Age, Feb 4 1931 p. 293-4 - The Sacredness of Human Blood (Reasons why vaccination is unscriptural)

  • proplog2
    proplog2

    Dmouse:

    You stated:

    "The collapse of communism in Russia and the fall of the wall etc was a far more significant event if you are looking for such stuff."

    The signed documents certify the events. The decisive battles in a war are over before the surrender. The fact of surrender occurs before the documents are signed. The treaty is put together to sum up the new allignment AFTER the war.

    Putin has allowed bush to walk all over him. Withdrawal from the ABM treaty. Nothing in return. Expansion of NATO into Russias old front line to the Atlantic. Nothing in return. Allowing military bases in former Soviet Republics. Nothing in return. Signing an arms reduction treaty that allows USA to store rather than destroy weapons. Nothing in return.

    Putin is an expert at JUDO. He is allowing his weakness to lull his enemey

  • Jewel
    Jewel

    Hard to worry about "Peace and Security" when India and Pakistan are holding nuclear weapons at each other's throats...

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Jewel is right about India/Pakistan, and Israel/Palestine and U S A /Afghanistan etc etc , and when does it kick off against Iraq?

    Goes to show that there is nothing new under the sun.

    incidentally, Ifound this WT quote:
    "*** w97 6/1 10 Jehovah-A God Who Reveals Secrets ***
    10 Particularly since 1986, when an International Year of Peace was declared by the United Nations, the world has been full of talk about peace and security. Definite steps have been taken in an effort to secure world peace, apparently with a measure of success. Is this the entire fulfillment of this prophecy, or can we expect a future startling announcement of some sort? Jehovah will clarify that matter in his due time. Meanwhile, let us stay spiritually awake, “awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah.” (2 Peter 3:12) As time continues to pass with still more talk of peace and security, some individuals who know of this warning, but who choose to ignore it, may become more defiant in assuming that Jehovah will not, or cannot, fulfill his word. (Compare Ecclesiastes 8:11-13; 2 Peter 3:3, 4.) But true Christians know that Jehovah will carry out his purpose!

    I suppose they want to keep them guessing .

  • Satanus
    Satanus
    Master of Deception 3.
    Becomes powerful but not by his own power. I have made several
    posts showing how this applies to Putin.

    Uh, wouldn't that be bush? He's doing much better than putin. He's also much more deceptive. Have you forgotten the election already? Have you read about the fiascos from his time in the business world?

    SS

  • SYN
    SYN

    PropLog, are you dodging my post?

    "Vaccination has never saved a human life. It does not prevent smallpox." The Golden Age, Feb 4 1931 p. 293-4 - The Sacredness of Human Blood (Reasons why vaccination is unscriptural)

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