Jesus is the Problem-"Christian Parents (not JWs) kick their son out for being Gay

by fulltimestudent 14 Replies latest jw friends

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    It is the scumbag Paul that is to blame. How much of so-called Christi-SCAM-ity is really based on this slimebag? Bear in mind that Paul was not only Jewish but a prominent Pharisee before becoming an xian. And that scumbag had much to say, not only about sexual repression (you need to follow a repressive model in order to be acceptable) but also in favor of slavery. Much of what this slime said was similar to what communism today says. That thing also bashed women, mentioning that they should not be in leadership positions.

    Just another piece of proof that Christi-SCAM-ity and communism are the same, less that jesus crap.

  • steve2
    steve2

    Paul is the wet blanket of first century Christianity.I could forgive him if he were instead the wet dream.

  • matt2414
    matt2414

    Actually, the Bible doesn't mention homosexuals or homosexuality at all. People who say the Bible mentions homosexuality are only expressing their own personal interpretations and biases, which says more about them as people than it does about God.

    As a linguist, I know that there is a word in every language for anything that's important. There are at least 40 words in English that we use for money, and at least 50 that refer to sex. We even use multiple words to refer to homosexuals -- gay, queer, lesbian, lgbt, flamer, f**, and so on. Some fundamentalists act like the fact that the Bible didn't have a word is no big deal. But it is, it's huge. It shows that people in Bible times didn't distinguish between gay and straight. They didn't make a big deal about same-sex relationships. Historical documents show this to be true. That perhaps also explains why the prophets and even Jesus never mention or refer to same-sex relations even though it was quite common in Bible times. If Jesus had condemned homosexuality or bisexuality, he would have, in effect, been condemning God who created plants, animals and even humans to exhibit such behavior.

    Yes, in certain narrow circumstances the Bible warns against "men who lie with men," that doesn't mean, however, they are homosexuals or that God is condemning homosexuality. When the Bible condemns rape, is it condeming heterosexuality? No, that would be foolish to believe. People, religionists, are only repeating the hateful biases that they've been indoctrinated with since childhood by ignorant fundamentalists. That explains why young people, who haven't been smothered by the brain-washing of extremists over many years, are more tolerant of human diversity.

    Same-sex relations were often used in pagan worship and rituals. It's also no secret that people in Bible times despised women and men who may have behaved like women, dressed like them, had mannerisms like them, not because they were gay, but because women were considered so low, it would be a disgrace for a man to act like one. Even one of the words Paul chose to use in his writings, Malakoi, refers to a man being effeminate. Upon analysis, this is more of an insult to women than it is to gay men because not all gay men are effeminate. This would also explain why little if anything is mentioned about "women who lie with women," because that would be OK since they were just women anyway. We need to remember that the Bible was written for people living when the words were penned, not for us in the 21st century. So we can't be applying the words as if they were written in our culture, in our times. If we can't explain exactly what the original writers meant with their words hundreds of years ago, we are certainly in no position to try to apply them now. Like Peter said, we would be twisting them to our own destruction.

  • Fernando
    Fernando

    Very interesting observations matt2414.

    The Watchtower is not the sole purveyor of so-called "Christian" - but actually apostate - legalism and moralism, which foments ignorance, hypocrisy, bigotry and supremacist self-righteousness.

    Search wt lib:

    • "experiment that failed"
    • legalism

    An alternative perspective: http://biblehouseofgrace.com/same%20sex%20relationships.html

  • objectivetruth
    objectivetruth

    Matt2414 -

    26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

    What do you feel this scripture at Romans 1 is referring to, if it is not referring to homosexual Acts.. I.E. Sodomy?

    Im also curious, what your viewpoint is of the linguistics used in 1 Cor 6:9 " Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men"

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