Looking for details about the Org , property ownership and not a religion in Mexico

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  • avaddohn94
    avaddohn94

    In 1992's reform, section II of article 27 was modified and to this day reads as follows:

    http://www.diputados.gob.mx/LeyesBiblio/htm/1.htm

    II. Las asociaciones religiosas que se constituyan en los términos del artículo 130 y su ley reglamentaria tendrán capacidad para adquirir, poseer o administrar, exclusivamente, los bienes que sean indispensables para su objeto, con los requisitos y limitaciones que establezca la ley reglamentaria;

    Fracción reformada DOF 28-01-1992

    Translation:

    II. Religious organizations set up pursuant to article 130 and its regulations shall be entitled to acquire, possess or manage, exclusively, the property required to accomplish its purposes, provided they comply with the requirements and limitations set forth in the abovementioned regulations;

  • avaddohn94
    avaddohn94

    Now, the original wording of section II of article 27 (which dates back to 1917) was:

    http://www.juridicas.unam.mx/infjur/leg/conshist/pdf/1917.pdf

    II.- Las asociaciones religiosas denominadas iglesias, cualquiera que sea su credo, no podrán en ningún caso tener capacidad para adquirir, poseer o administrar bienes raíces, ni capitales impuestos sobre ellos; los que tuvieren actualmente, por sí o por interpósita persona entrarán al dominio de la Nación, concediéndose acción popular para denunciar los bienes que se hallaren en tal caso. La prueba de presunciones será bastante para declarar fundada la denuncia. Los templos destinados al culto público son de la propiedad de la Nación, representada por el Gobierno Federal, quien determinará los que deben continuar destinados a su objeto. Los obispados, casas curales, seminarios, asilos o colegios de asociaciones religiosas, conventos o cualquier otro edificio que hubiere sido construido o destinado a la administración, propaganda o enseñanza de un culto religioso, pasarán desde luego, de pleno derecho, al dominio directo de la Nación, para destinarse exclusivamente a los servicios públicos de la Federación o de los Estados en sus respectivas jurisdicciones. Los templos que en lo sucesivo se erigieren para el culto público, serán propiedad de la Nación.

    Translation:

    Religious institutions known as churches, regardless of creed, may in no case acquire, hold, or manage real property or hold mortgages thereon; such property held at present either directly or through an intermediary shall revert to the Nation, any person whosoever being authorized to denounce any property so held. Presumptive evidence shall be sufficient to declare the denunciation well founded. Places of public worship are the property of the Nation, as represented by the Federal Government, which shall determine which of them may continue to be devoted to their present purposes. Bishoprics, rectories, seminaries, asylums, and schools belonging to religious orders, convents, or any other buildings built or intended for the administration, propagation, or teaching of a religious creed shall at once become the property of the Nation by inherent right, to be used exclusively for the public services of the Federal or State Governments, within their respective jurisdictions. All places of public worship hereafter erected shall be the property of the Nation.

    So, as you can see 1917's Constitution clearly states that churches in Mx could not own property. This law was in force when the organization obtained it's first registration back in 1932. Nine years later in 1943, they somehow "noticed" this tiny little detail and decided to restructure itself as a "civil association" which aim was SUPPOSEDLY no longer religious but "cultural" (as they have already told you, this part of the story can be barely found in pages 211-212 of 1995's yearbook).

    An interesting fact you won't find anywhere else regarding this period (1943 - 1993) is that the only publication that was actually prepared and "adapted" for Mexico was Our Kingdom Ministry which kept its old title and at first, did not use the names of Jehovah or Jesus. They were known as the "Maestro Principal" and "Gran Maestro" respectively. Great emphasis was put on the adult literacy campaign and to quote the Bible a code using numbers was followed (for instance Matthew 23:10 appeared in the Bulletin as 40, 23:10).

    Though they do admit that their decision had to do with the ownership of property, they try to include preaching and holding public assemblies as two other reasons which have no real basis to be credited.

    The fact that this "cultural status" had more to do with "property ownership" is highlighted if you consider that after the reform of article 27 in 1992, on April 13, 1993 they immediately embraced back their "religious status".

    Do they still report and announce with a great fanfare their literacy campaign achievements? Rhetorical question...

  • Littleleslie
    Littleleslie

    Thanks for the information "Avoddohn94"

    This is truly shocking!

    There can be no denying the facts, the wicked "governing body" and Watchtower Society deliberately kept this type of information hidden, secret from the Mexican JW brotherhood as well as the rank and file JWs around the world. If this type of information could get out to the public, it could spell doom for the Watchtower Society and company, because it shows them to be so, incredibly greedy, conniving and hypocritical beyond measure.

    (See my comment on this topic at this link: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/279590/1/Theocratic-Rule-Requires-Theocratic-Appointment-Does-It-Not#5077603 )

    Thanks again,

    LL

  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy

    Jwfacts needs to put that info on his site. Thanks!

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    Not sure I see the problem here. The JWs explicitly denied that they were a religion in the U.S. at one time, under Rutherford. What does it matter if they call themselves a religion or not?

    More importantly, in countries where the work is banned, the Witnesses will continue to preach undercover even though it's illegal. This is well-known and you won't hear any JWs being stumbled by this. So why, in a country where the work is semi-banned (in the sense that laws are making it hard to practice the religion), should a small sidestep around a law be considered a scandalous affair?

  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy

    Its because they only did so because as a religion they would of had to turn over all thier property to the government and not aquire anymore. So instead of doing this and allowing thier people to practice thier faith and pray and readthe bible. The borg decided they would rather have their realestate showing they do not really care about pure worship to god after all.

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    Yes, but then I suppose they would have had to rent places to meet at, which would probably be costlier. Keep in mind, the JWs could still read their Bibles at home. Maybe they weren't allowed to take them to meetings, but how is that different than meeting in a basement or forest where the work is banned? The Witnesses in those circumstances probably have to hide their Bibles as well.

  • avaddohn94
    avaddohn94

    Not really Apognophos. Here's what I identify as the problem. Neither the preaching work nor owning places of worship was banned or semibanned in Mx. Mormons and evangelicals did their preaching work during those 50 years without any restrain or limitation and the Catholic Church held massive gatherings out of their temples as well. They only surrendered their places of worship to Mexico's government pursuant to the law in effect back then and because of that, they were able to sing inside their temples, use the bible when preaching and pray. The Watchtower chose to retain ownership of their properties and assets and preferred to become a cultural association. Their Kingdom Halls became "Halls of Cultural Studies" (which were mainly built in backyards of "spiritual families" in some sort of clandestine way), they ceased to pray, they were not allowed to use the Bible when preaching and of course, they did not sing. I'm sorry, but I do see a double standard coming from a religion which actually preferred to give up to three main elements of spiritual gatherings before turning their assets to Caesar (as all the other churches did in order to provide their spiritual aid).

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    Okay, I see your point. I hadn't considered what other religions in Mexico were doing, that's interesting. So does this mean that they were building churches with the parishioners' money and then handing them over to the State?

  • AndDontCallMeShirley
    AndDontCallMeShirley

    Apog: Not sure I see the problem here.

    What does WT drum into every JW as to being present for the entire meeting or assembly program? Do not miss the song and prayer because these two components are a vital part of our worship.

    Yet, in Mexico, WT was willing to dispense of these vital components and went a step further by also doing away with the Bible itself !!

    This isn't a problem?

    What would happen to an individual JW who on his own refused to sing songs at the KH, refused to participate in prayers and refused to use the Bible?

    Most certainly they'd be disfellowshipped under some charge of "brazen conduct" or disrupting the peace of the cong. But in true hypocritical WT fashion, when the GB decides unilaterally to dispense of its own self-claimed "vital" aspects of worship for no other reason than to protect its corporate/financial interests, suddenly the heretical becomes acceptable.

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