I know this is never going to happen ....however , what if ...?

by smiddy 17 Replies latest jw friends

  • smiddy

    Can you imagine what this world would be like today , with 7 billion people , if their were never , ever a religous concept in anybodys mind ?

    Wouldnt this world be such a better place to be in if it was devoid of all religion ?

    If religion never existed from the time man/woman first walked the earth until now how do you see , pros or cons , how humakind would fare today.

    As I said in my O.P. its never going to happen , whats done is done .

    However if it could all be started from scratch , I would love to see how humans would fare , from the beginning till now without a concept of religion.

    What do you think ?


  • Laika

    Well, it's not like we've never tried the 'utopian society' without religion. How did that work out?

  • Phizzy

    History would have been very different. There would still have been disputes, conflict and war even, but I would think not nearly so many. Religious hatred has been at the root of , and the motive for, most wars.

    What would Society be like today ? Difficult to say, but it is interesting to look at the Chinese way back, they had no concept of a God who cared about your daily activity, though they did have the religious view that their dead ancestors did !

    Despite this they constructed an Empire that was at peace internally for many aeons, the only downside being the Poor were very downtrodden. It was run upon semi-totalitarian lines.

    It may be though, that without the terrible restraining brake that Religion has had upon human thought and progress, by now we may have worked out how to live in a truly egalitarian, fair and moral society. The kind of world I hope man works toward and achieves before too many years have gone by.

  • Fernando

    I believe if we all had only ever been exposed to the liberating gospel, human society would have been very different and much better.

  • stuckinarut2

    "Religion is the opium of the masses"

    Wasnt it Marx that said that?

  • cultBgone

    Religion is nothing more than the biggest power tool man has invented. If men didn't feel the need to be in control of others and wield power over them, we would not have seen organized religion.

    People have a natural inclination to appreciate nature and the elements, but when it goes too extremes even that becomes "my sun god is better than yours".

    The desire to have inordinate power is the problem, and religion is the easiest way to gain that power.

    If there was no religion, it would just be some other power tool.

  • OneEyedJoe

    Well, for one thing the dark ages probably wouldn't have happened, so scientific discovery would've had about 1000 years extra to develop, so by now we'd have technology that would be unimaginable for us today. But on the other hand, we could easily have been stuck as a bunch of small tribes without religion.

    I think it just depends on what was used to fill the void that religion currently fills. This is an interesting concept to ponder, since religion has obviously caused many attrocities, but the good that it does is often diffused. Without religion it would likely have taken civilization longer to organize itself, and organization on some level is neccessary for economic efficiency. Religion also makes for a convenient way to explain morals without requiring everyone to have a degree in sociology. To people with little education, it's difficult to connect having personal morals to positive advancement of society since humans tend to be myopic and selfish, especially in poor economic conditions. Instead of trying to explain the benefit to society that an individual can have by living honestly, it's easier to just say "God sees everything and will burn you in hell if you step out of line."

    As an atheist I'm reluctant to admit it, but it's entirely possible that the concept of god has a place in a developing society. Without the immediate trust and comonality that religion can provide two strangers, it would likely have been very difficult to form societies larger than a small tribe where everyone knows everyone else. It may just be that a society has to progress from small tribal groups, to large religious groups, before it can become a global atheist (but moral) society. Sometimes it's tempting to skip the painful middle steps, but it may have been necessary in order to become organized on a sufficient scale.

  • Apognophos

    OEJ, it's a sort of urban legend that religion was constantly stymying science throughout the ages, and it simply isn't true: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_religion_and_science#Conflict_thesis

  • Fernando

    From: http://mkaku.org/home/tag/telescope/

    Quick — name the invention that has done most to redefine our place in the universe. Hint: This invention was also the most seditious, blasphemous instrument of all time, shaking the very foundations of society. The answer, if you haven’t already guessed it, is the telescope. Read the WIRED.com article “The Telescope: 400 Years and Counting”

  • OneEyedJoe

    Well how 'bout that...learn somethin new every day. Thanks.

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