Sole CHANNEL of communication?

by Batman89 20 Replies latest jw friends

  • DesirousOfChange

    It never occurs to JW's to question anything about new light or how it come to be. I always imagined the GB met together, prayed and Jehovah's holy spirit put it in all their minds what the new light understanding was or something mysterious like that. LOL

    I had an friend who was a respected elder who actually said he suspected there was a Shekinah light in their private Conference Room.


  • villagegirl

    DOC - I heard all kinds of stories years ago implying a sort of magical

    "light" seen at night in the office of the GB, there is a real underlying

    occult element to the mindset of the Jehovah's Witness faithful, and

    its centered on the mystical powers of the Governing Body. They

    still believe these type of things to this to this day.

    Its a combination of dread and worship of this "faithful and discreet slave"

    it is true idolatry. Its all about angels and demons and magical powers of the GB.

  • Iown Mylife
    Iown Mylife

    OOOH i just wanted to believe it was all true, but it's all just superstition and b.s. from con men.


  • stuckinarut2

    Its just a case of:

    "if we say we are gods channel of communication, then you have to believe it is true, because we are gods channel of communication. Therefore we convey the new light of truths from god. We only do so because we are gods channel of communication, which you all no doubt beleive because we are the ones that convey the new light to you. In doing so we proove that we are gods channel of communication, because we only convey the truths from him as we are the appointed channel of communication as the F&DS class. So following us is effectively following god himself, as we are his appointed channel"...

    Wash, rinse, repeat...wash rinse repeat.....

  • blondie

    In The Finished Mystery, published in 1917, they said that Armageddon would really break loose in 1918 with the destruction of "Christendom" and all the church members and by 1920 all kingdoms of the earth would pass away. [16] In 1918 the "little flock" would pass beyond the veil and 1921 would be the last year to make it to heaven and would see the death of all in the "great multitude" class. [17] The Finished Mystery claimed, as did other Watchtower material in 1917, that they were directed and supervised by the spirit of the dead "Pastor" Russell and others of the deceased "anointed" class. [18] This is necromancy, or communicating with the dead, which the Society has called spiritism and demonism.

    The next year, 1918, was claimed by Rutherford to be the year when the Holy Spirit was removed from the remnant and angels began teaching them the truth. Did the "light get brighter"? No. This new source of spiritual enlightenment was no better. In was in 1918 that Rutherford began to deliver his lecture, "Millions Now Living Will Never Die" which he believed was the "gospel of the kingdom" that was to be preached to all the world for a witness and then the end was to come -- in 1925. Given that Rutherford claimed angels were responsible for everything he published, the Apostle Paul's words to the churches in Galatia about other gospels from angels are relevant. (Galatians 1:6-9)

    Rutherford preached a gospel other than the one Paul preached. Not only that, the "Millions" gospel and prophecy failed. The kingdom was not set-up in 1925 with the resurrection of Abraham and others. Bald heads, false teeth, and other things prophesied to either end or take place in 1925 and shortly thereafter, did not occur. The angels, if responsible for this, were lying spirits by definition.

    The Golden Age printed two news items that stated that "demons" had been recently telling the spiritist Conan Doyle that 1925 was to witness events paving the way for the Millennium. They said that demons apparently have advance warning of what is about to happen, thus they apparently believed these particular demons were "honest". Rutherford said he made an "ass" of himself over the failure of his 1925 prophecy. [19] If his claims were true that the information he published concerning 1925 came from angels, the angels made an "ass" of Rutherford which further identifies the nature of these angels. They are the same or similar to the "demons" the Society said communicated the same message to Conan Doyle through mediums.

    Despite this failure, and being made an "ass" of by these angels, Rutherford continued to listen to them and publish what they transmitted into his mind. This included further false prophecies such as his WWII prophecy of Armageddon. I don't think I need to labor this point to death. The evidence is clear. If Rutherford was publishing material that was transmitted into his mind by angels, the "angels" were demons.

    Excerpts from:

    The Spirit World Guided Rutherford

    Was Rutherford a Spirit Medium?

    Doctrines of Demons

    Twaddle and Malarkey

  • Crazyguy

    In that Book Rutherford also claimed that Russell was one of the angels repeatedly talked about in the book of Revelations, more good stuff

  • AlphaMan

    Thank you Blondie that was very interesting reading.

  • fredPotato

    If they're the sole channel of communication, it is about time to change to another cable provider... I have COX at home =P

  • steve2

    These excerpts from earlier Watchtower publications demonstrate that a strong seam of religious nuttiness has always characterized Watchtower writings.

    I recall reading in the 1960s in the publications about the Scriptural fulfillment of some parts of the book of Revelation included a series of Bible Student conventions in the 1920s. Even as a young kid, I remember thinking surely the Biblical writer was referring to something more important that assemblies as fulfillment of Scripture. Besides, you could point to anything in looking back, claiming it was fulfillment of this or that. It just seemed stupid - and disappointing - for an organization that prided itself on "reasoning" on Scripture to resort to promoting specific organizational events in the USA - now long forgotten - as fulfilling the Revelation.

  • opusdei1972

    According to Rutherford, who believed to be the appointed by Christ in 1918, the Holy Spirit was no more necessary after this year:

    “It would seem that there would be no necessity for the ‘servant’ to have an advocate such as the holy spirit, because the ‘servant’ to have an advocate is in direct communication with Jehovah and as Jehovah’s instrument, and Christ Jesus acts for the entire body.” (Watchtower, September 1, 1930 p. 263, p. 263)

    “After the holy spirit as an advocate or paraclete ceased to function in behalf of the consecrated, then the angels are employed in behalf of those who are being made ready for the kingdom. ‘For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all they ways’ -Ps. 91:11″ (Preservation, 1932 p. 51-52)

    “By his spirit, the holy spirit, Jehovah God guides or leads his people up to a certain point of time, and thus he did until the time when ‘the comforter’ was taken away, which would necessarily occur when Jesus, the Head of his organization, came to the temple and gathered unto himself those whom he found faithful when he, as the great Judge, began his judgment, in 1918.” (Preservation, 1932, p. 193-194)

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