How would you define RELIGION, and why?

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  • Terry
    Terry

    Religion is an artifact from a bygone age, before there were social support programs, science, technology, medicine and public education.

    Religion is the appendix in your body.

    Religion is like having tonsils.

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    We all need a reason to keep on going.

    If we are comfortable in our life we keep going because it isn't painful to do so.

    But, a wounded person living a tragic life is in a world of pain (physical or mental) all the time.

    A hurting person really needs a REASON to keep moving forward.

    If you pull the "hope" out from under a person who is hurting, you leave them with just the PAIN.

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    So, out of kindness, it is important to consider what kind of coping skills are necessary.

    COPING WITH THE STRUGGLES OF LIVING is a skill.

    If you grew up relying ONLY on hope--you have no "hand's on" skills for getting through the day.

    You just drop to your knees and pray.

    That makes you feel better--but, it doesn't do a damned thing for anybody beyond that.

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    Take away the reason to pray and you've just dropped a person to their knees and left them there.

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    DEVELOP the skill to cope, to build, to improve, to see life as series of challenges/opportunities and then you have somebody

    who can unplug from the respirator of RELIGION.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    How would you define RELIGION, and why?

    Mental manipulation contrived from ignorance and fear based superstition to effect and exploit human emotion.

  • talesin
    talesin

    Unky Punky, you beat me to it, and very succinctly!

    It is a mythological construct used to control the masses by offering some kind of reward in return for obedience to a deity or deities.

    tal

  • Mikejw
    Mikejw

    Yes anything can be like a religion to some. Hobbies and activities can be like a religion. Trekkies have often been used as an example also very similar some people love Star Wars so much it has become like a religion. They both know it’s fictional but love the people with a common interest.

    even atheists can become religious about their beliefs and the new age ideas that the universe created itself and they often say universe had this in mind for me. This is like a religion to these people

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    Belief in unsubstantiated miracles.

    Unlike Christianity where there is ample evidence for the death burial and self resurrection of Jesus, secular religion believes many COMPLETELY unsubstantiated miracles, without even a miracle worker. Like:

    1. Origin of the universe

    Materialists (Atheists) once tried to believe that the universe was eternal, to erase the question of where it came from. The famous British Atheist Bertrand Russell, for example, took this position. However, this is not tenable. The progress of scientific knowledge about thermodynamics, for example, means that virtually everyone has been forced to acknowledge that the universe had a beginning, somewhere, sometime—the big bang idea acknowledges this (ideas like the multiverse only put the beginning more remotely, but do not get rid of the pesky problem).4

    The big bang attempts to explain the beginning of the universe. However, what did it begin from and what caused it to begin? Ultimately, it could not have come from a matter/energy source, the same sort of stuff as our universe, because that matter/energy should also be subject to the same physical laws, and therefore decay, and it would have had a beginning too, just further back in time.

    So, it had to come from? Nothing! Nothing became everything with no cause whatsoever. Magic!

    “The universe burst into something from absolutely nothing—zero, nada. And as it got bigger, it became filled with even more stuff that came from absolutely nowhere. How is that possible? Ask Alan Guth. His theory of inflation helps explain everything.”

    So proclaimed the front cover of Discover magazine, April 2002.

    Physicist Lawrence Krauss, one of the loud ‘new Atheists’, has tried to explain how everything came from nothing; he even wrote a book about it.5However, his ‘nothing’ is a ‘quantum vacuum’, which is not actually nothing. Indeed, a matter/energy quantum something has exactly the same problem as eternal universes; it cannot have persisted for eternity in the past, so all their theorizing only applies after the universe (something) exists.6 Back to square one!

    Materialists have no explanation for the origin of the universe, beyond ‘it happened because we are here!’ Magic: just like the rabbit out of the hat, but with the universe, a rather humungous ‘rabbit’! ‘Stuff happens!’

    Materialists have no explanation for the origin of the universe, beyond ‘it happened because we are here!’

    There are other aspects of the big bang, the ‘mainstream’ model of the universe’s origin, that are also miraculous. The ‘standard model’ has a period of very rapid expansion called ‘inflation’ (which Alan Guth, mentioned above, invented). There is no known cause for the initiation of this supposed expansion, no known cause for it to stop and no physical mechanism for the extremely rapid expansion (many orders of magnitude faster than the speed of light). However, these three associated miracles must have happened or the big bang does not work because of the ‘horizon problem’. More magic!

    “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1). This is not magic, because God, who is eternal and omnipotent, is a sufficient causefor the universe. And He can exist eternally (and therefore has no beginning) because He is a non-material entity (God is spirit, as the Bible says in many places).

    1. Origin of stars

    According to the big bang, the ‘only game in town’ to explain the origin of stars, there had to have been two phases of star formation. Phase 1 involved the formation of hydrogen/helium stars (which are called Population III stars7). Here is the first problem: how do you get gases formed in a rapidly expanding primordial universe to coalesce together to form a critical mass so that there is sufficient gravitational attraction to attract more gas to grow a star? Gases don’t tend to come together; they disperse, especially where there is a huge amount of energy (heat).8 Hey presto! Cosmologists invented ‘dark matter’, which is invisible undetectable ‘stuff’ that just happens to generate a lot of gravitational attraction just where it is needed. More magic!9

    iStockphotostarsThe Bible tells us that God made the stars on the fourth day of Creation Week.

    However, we have countless stars—like the sun—that are not just hydrogen and helium, but contain the heavier elements. Phase 2 supposedly comes in here. Exploding stars (supernovas) from phase 1 produced sufficient pressure to force hydrogen and helium together to make new stars that made all the heavier elements (which astronomers call ‘metals’), including the elements of which we are made. These stars are called Population I and II stars.

    Now here is another problem: how do exploding stars, with matter flying at great speed in all directions, cause stars made of all those new elements to form? There has to be a coming together of the elements, not a flying apart. Pieces hitting one another would bounce off rather than coalesce. Most hypotheses involve multiple supernovas from phase 1 in close proximity, such that sufficient material collided together to form enough of a proto-star with sufficient gravity to overcome the tendency to fly apart and attract more matter and so grow a normal star. However, supernovas are not common events, especially multiple ones at the same time in close proximity. Thus, this scenario requires a huge number of very improbable events to account for the vast numbers of the heavier stars.

    This is more magic; miracles without a miracle worker.

    God made the sun and the stars on the fourth day of Creation Week. Again, this is not magic or superstition, because God is able to do such things.

    1. Origin of life

    Astrobiologist Professor Paul Davies said,

    “How did stupid atoms spontaneously write their own software … ? Nobody knows … there is no known law of physics able to create information from nothing.”10

    Not only must the DNA code be explained (how can a coded information storage system come about without intelligent design?), but the incredible machinery that reads the information and creates the components of life from that information has to be explained as well.

    Former hard-nosed English Atheist philosopher Antony Flew abandoned Atheism/materialism because of the growing evidence for such design in living things. He said,

    Photo from researchintelligentdesign.organtony-flewThe notorious Atheist who changed his mind, Antony Flew.
    “It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design.”11

    This research,

    “has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce (life), that intelligence must have been involved”.12

    That is, only an incredibly intelligent designer could account for the information systems in living things.

    Well-known American Atheist philosopher, Thomas Nagel said,

    “What is lacking, to my knowledge, is a credible argument that the story [of cosmic evolution] has a nonnegligible probability of being true. There are two questions. First, given what is known about the chemical basis of biology and genetics, what is the likelihood that self-reproducing life forms should have come into existence spontaneously on the early earth, solely through the operation of the laws of physics and chemistry?”13 (See later for discussion of his second question.)

    The scientific knowledge of life grows daily, and as it does the prospects of a naturalistic (materialistic/atheistic) explanation for its origin recede into the distance. The origin of life is another miracle.14 ‘Stuff happens’? More magic.

    The origin of life demands a super-intelligent cause, such as the Creator-God revealed in the Bible.

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    By far, secular humanism is the most ignorant of all religions. It is the ultimate “satisfying” religion (if not logical) for the unregenerant.

      Christianity is relationship, not religion.

      If you don’t know Jesus, they are all about the same… they are all spelled: Do

      If you know Christ : Your faith is spelled : DONE

      Hope that helps.

    1. JW GoneBad
      JW GoneBad

      Religion defined:

      Religion is a snare and a racket!

      The Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization aka WTBTS being one of the most reprehensible & culpable of them all!

    2. Phizzy
      Phizzy

      "Religion was invented when the first priest met the first Gullible Fool" , Mark Twain.

    3. Jeffro
      Jeffro

      See Breeze:

      Belief in unsubstantiated miracles.
      Unlike Christianity where there is ample evidence for the death burial and self resurrection of Jesus

      🤦‍♂️ No. And what followed was even worse.

      Each step straw manned, indicating you either don’t understand, or deliberately misrepresent expert views. Add to that the theistic need for made up ‘answers’ in favour of admitting they just don’t know something. 🙄

    4. TonusOH
      TonusOH

      Fernando: Two new Watchtower classifications were suddenly created: "true religion" and "false religion".

      WTS did not create those categories; they were always part of religion. Every religion considers itself the true religion, which means the others must be false. The WTS emphasized it because Rutherford seemed to revel in being a contrarian (and an asshole).

      As for how to define religion... Google the word and you'll get a whole bunch of different answers. No one seems to know for sure how to define it. I think it's just another form of tribalism, a way in which humans form us/them groups to foster a sense of belonging and to build strong social bonds (the irony being that those bonds come at the expense of enmity with 'them').

      These groups form organically because they are so intrinsic to how our minds work. And we join them almost by force of habit. We 'belong' to groups based on ethnicity, nationality, geographic location, color of our skin, color of our hair, dominant hand, favorite sports teams, and so on. Religion and government are the ultimate forms of this behavior, as they can justify the most extreme acts taken in their 'defense'. Human history is an ongoing effort to mitigate the dangers of both, a battle we seem to be winning, albeit very slowly.

    5. Sea Breeze
      Sea Breeze
      No one seems to know for sure how to define it. I think it's just another form of tribalism, a way in which... to foster a sense of belonging.

      @TonusOH - I think this is what drives the formation of religion. Since there has never been a culture found where religion didn't exist, there must be something in man driving its formation.

      There is an overwhelming feeling of abandonment among peoples who look at the vastness of creation and its complexity. Religion is an attempt to create commomnality, fellowship and restoration. It is man's response to abandonment.

      Atheism and secular humanism is a maladaptive attempt to reject religion, but in doing so they are forced to accept even bigger miracles, magic and madness and just end up creating another community of commonality & fellowship.

      Jesus alone offers the only true escape from religion that most of us on this board seek. He offers a relationship with himself, the creator. He stated that he would be killed and would resurrect himself from the dead as proof that he was the author of Life. And, he did it. Jesus is the only way to intelligently deal with the abandonment of man.

      One part of nothing is still nothing.

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