Can god see into the future?

by DuvanMuvan 32 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • redvip2000
    redvip2000

    If free will prevents god from being able to see what we are about to do or what could happen in the future then that just means god isn't as all-powerful as they say.

    Yes. And if god could see the future then what is the point of preaching? Hee can also read everyone's hearts, right? Those two powers combined means he should already know who should be saved. And if he knows already who can be saved, then why extend this system of things which is so bad to live in according to JWs? It clearly doesn't seem fair to do this...

    If otherwise, he can only see things which are not affected by human free will, then what can he see? That tomorrow the sun will rise? That summer will come after spring? Doesn't seem like such a great power to me anymore.

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    DuvanMuvan - on the tree aspect, if you look for other instances of the tree, keyword being eden as in the 'trees of eden', you'll find them likened to living thinking entities, which could imply they may by symbolized as a tree. Just like when Jesus spoke of the 'bread' of the pharasees, bread meaning words and teachings, so could the 'fruit' of the tree of knowledge of good and evil be words, teachings, spoken knowledge of good and evil, etc.

    take that to another set of possibilities such as this. God either divided himself into 2 halves, or created a clone of himself seperated into 2 halves. Male and Female, etc. (queen of the heavens, YHWH and his asherah, emnity between the womens seed and his seed, etc, an opposition)

    The good side wants eternal life for good people, the good side KNOWS that the opposition MUST oppose. So the good side develops a plan to give eternal life to the good and not curse creation with eternal evil beings or at the very least seperate them. So a rule is made that sin against God equals death. The good side also knows that the knowledge of good and evil is a good thing to know, so that one does not do evil. The good side KNOWS that the created adam and eve do not know good or evil, so they don't know sin, they don't even understand perhaps what is wrong with not obeying. The good side then makes a plan, it will tell adam and eve they can eat from every tree, except the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It knows that it's good to know good and evil, it KNOWS that the opposition side will HAVE to oppose him and try to make them eat of it, it knows they will eventually die, but now conditions can be setup to that the GOOD gets life and the bad will get eternal seperation, death, etc.

    When the opposer then asks eve and inquired if there was anything they were told they could not do, and the plan played out perfectly.

    Now all humans have a basic understanding, enough so that even Jesus said those who don't have the law can be judged and in their hearts know good and bad. Once enough life has gone through this Earthly testing ground, then God will have sorted out and can move on to the next phase, if there is one. Either this is all the life and that's it, or perhaps those who pass this testing ground may be given positions to rule over new life and planets, who knows. But this is a testing and teaching phase. God doesn't have to say a word to you to learn, sometimes through pain, how you felt when things happened to you and to understand how it would be to do them to others etc.

  • bemused
    bemused

    End of Mysteries - genuine question (not being rude), where do you get all that stuff from? Did you arrive at it through your own deliberations?

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