Panic Attacks? It's Probably Only Your Heart...

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  • Englishman
    Englishman

    If you suffer from anxiety and panics, the problem could lie with your heart and not with your mind.

    You might have

    Mitral valve syndrome!
    http://www.mvpsupport.com/

    I know what I’m talking about because I have Mitral valve syndrome. Years ago, I would sometimes become totally panic stricken for no reason whatsoever. Later diagnosis showed that I had a mis-shapen mitral valve in my ticker, and this weird anomaly could produce exactly the same sensation as when we become very frightened of something, just as though a burst of adrenaline had surged through your body, accompanied by incredible sensations of fear. This is interesting:

    Mitral Valve Prolapse SyndromeWhat is a Syndrome?

    Syndrome is a name for a group of symptoms that happen together. A group of symptoms may collectively indicate a particular condition.If you experience several or more of the symptoms associated with mitral valve prolapse, you may have the Mitral Valve Prolapse Syndrome.

    What is the Cause of the Syndrome?

    The exact cause of the syndrome is still unclear to researchers, but studies indicate that the mitral valve prolapse syndrome is associated with a slight imbalance of the Autonomic Nervous System, called Dysautonomia.

    What is the Autonomic Nervous System and Dysautonomia?

    The autonomic nervous system is very complex. It is our "automatic" or "unconscious" nervous system, and it controls and affects most, if not all, of our body functions and systems such as our heart rate, blood pressure, body temperature, sweating, gastrointestinal motility and secretions, digestion, sexual reflexes, to name a few.

    The autonomic nervous system has two divisions: the Sympathetic nervous system and the Parasympathetic nervous system. The sympathetic nervous system tends to increase and accelerate our body functions. The parasympathetic nervous system tends to relax and slow things down. These two divisions of the autonomic nervous system work together maintaining a continuous, fine-tuned balance of our body functions.With Dysautonomia and the mitral valve prolapse syndrome, there is a slight imbalance of the autonomic nervous system causing our delicate, fine-tuned nervous system to be out of sync. We can have too much "speeding up" or too much "slowing down" at inappropriate times, with inappropriate nervous response to stimuli, for no apparent reason.

    More commonly though, Dysautonomia occurs in response to stress, either emotional or physical. Stressful stimuli, such as fear, rage, anger, pain, childbirth, illness, or job pressure, will elicit a stress response from our autonomic nervous system. With Dysautonomia, your body may have an exaggerated or inappropriate stress response.

    This is not life-threatening, but the symptoms that occur are frightening, frustrating, and uncomfortable - sometimes even disabling. Symptoms will vary in degree and will tend to come and go.

    Did You Know... Mitral valve prolapse is a common cardiac condition and is thought to affect 10-20% of the general population.

    Both males and females are affected. Females outnumber males by a 3:1 ratio.

    MVP is hereditary.
    The heart functions normally, pumping and receiving blood to and from the body.
    Prolapsed valves do not tend to degenerate over time. Surgery is rarely needed.
    The MVP syndrome is associated with a slight imbalance of the nervous system.
    Approximately 40-60% of symptomatic MVP patients suffer from panic attacks.
    You are not "crazy" or "neurotic". Your symptoms are real!
    MVP is not life-threatening but may be lifestyle threatening.
    With proper education, lifestyle modification, and individual treatment, symptoms can be alleviated and even eliminated.

    Well, since I found out why the attacks occur, I no longer have to wrack my brains as to what is causing the panic. It’s physical! So now, I just accept it when it happens. The internal road crash, the WHOOSH that is the start of an anxiety attack is just my hearts weir shape causing the problem. So at least I don’t have to be anxious about feeling anxious! Knowing this means that the symptoms are minimised and are of a short duration.

    The good news is that Mitral valve syndrome doesn’t have to make your life any different. I have a check just every 5 years, my heart specialist recommends that MSV people should ignore their symptoms totally unless they suffer from excessive tiredness.

    So you might not be going nuts after all!

    Englishman

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    I think your problem may have something to do with following Pompey!

    Cheers,
    Ozzie

    "If our hopes for peace are placed in the hands of imperfect people, they are bound to evaporate."

    - Ron Hutchcraft Surviving the Storms of Stress

  • Shimmer
    Shimmer

    Englishman,

    Thank you for posting that information. I have those symptoms. It started after September 11, so I figured it was anxiety attacks. So I got on an anti-anxiety medication. Which has helped greatly.

    I'm wondering though, if I do have that condition

    1.How would I find out?

    2. Is it harmful to be on this medication?

    How did you find out that you had it?

    Shimmer

  • LDH
    LDH

    HOLD EVERYTHING FOLKS!!!!

    OK Eman....I've got some experinence with this subject....

    When I was pregnant with my first child 13 years ago I began to experience wild heartbeats, flushed face/chest etc. My OBGYN referred me to a cardiologist who "diagnosed" me with Mitral Valve Prolapse, and recommended I be put on antibiotics during delivery and 'monitored' throughout the pregnancy...

    After she was born, it was back to normal until last summer when pregnant with my second...

    Again I experienced "panic like" symptoms and took myself to the OBGYN who referred me to another cardiologist.

    This cardiologist put me on a heart monitor. His first reaction was to say that I was 'imagining' it--(yes DR talk for you are off your rocker)--but since I was pregnant they erred on the side of caution. This little device did a constant recording of my heartbeat and when I felt I was having a spell--I was to call in and allow them to monitor my heart. I did not experience any anxiety or panic with these "rapid heartbeat attacks."

    Well after a month and reporting about 8 spells, I went for follow-up. Imagine my relief when they he looked at the strips and said--"Well you ARE NOT imagining it!" BUT--he said they are harmless PVCs--which 100% of the population has but only a small percentage can actually feel it. ( You and I must be in same small percentage, Eman.)

    I asked him "What about the diagnosis of MVP from 12 years ago?" His answer was that MVP is a NON-diagnosis, because it's so common (1 out of 4 people blah blah blah) it is a NORMAL condition that occurs in a great deal of the population, and should not in MOST cases even be noted in the medical chart because it 'appears' that you have a 'heart condition' when in fact--you do not.

    It is harmless and requires no treatment, is the outline of the Cardiology Association. It can't be 'repaired'--and doesn't need to be, actually. If you experience panic symptoms along with it; that IS treatable and you should do something about it.

    Shimmer--because you said you experienced these things after 09/11--do not rule out panic attacks. Go see a Dr. pronto.

    Lisa

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Lisa,

    I understand about the anti-biotics. Because the mitral valve of the MVS person allows a little blood to back wash into the relevant chamber, nasty bugs can site themselves in that area of the heart quite easily, there's a little area of stale blood sometimes that can provide a breeding ground.

    My six monthly dental check-up requires that I take a massive 3 gramme anti-biotic dose 1 hours before procedure. MVS persons must have immaculate oral hygiene as the mouth can be a breeder of the heart-damaging bugs. Oral sex is reckoned to be the best mouth wash of all.

    Englishman.

  • plmkrzy
    plmkrzy

    WOW!!DOUBLE WOW!!

    I also have to take so much pennicillian prior to any dental work that NO KIDDING, when I caugh white powder comes out.
    It's AWFUL!

    I have also been treated for panic attacks for that past three years now. But not yet has the subject of my heart been brought into any discussion concerning any relationship with the panic attacks.
    This is very interesting to me.
    I guess that would be the difference between a doctor who gives a s**t and the HMO i'm stuck with.

    http://ourworld.cs.com/pwmkwzy/home.html ...

  • LDH
    LDH

    The penicillin prior to dental work, again, is a red herring.

    Unless you take penicillin everytime you cut your mouth or any part of your body. [8>] Bacteria can enter through ANY opening on the skin.

    My doctor told me don't even bother taking antibiotics before dental work. and you know how Drs are over here, they will tell you ANYTHING so you don't sue them. So I would guess if there was even one-tenth of one percent chance that I could be endangered by dental work.....he would tell me to take it.

    As for this baby, I didn't have to take antibiotics for the MVP and I was pretty happy. Until a week before my due date and I tested positive for Beta Strep, and had to take it anyway, LOL! [8>] If it's not one thing, it's six.

    Eman I would recommend being referred to a Cardiologist, because it doesn't look like your current one has given you the latest scoop on this 'non-existent' but very real 'disorder.' For lack of a better phrase.

    Lisa

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Hi again, Lisa:

    I saw my heart doc just a few months ago. He tells me that the mouth is the most germ riddled area on a humans body, therefore he doesn't want blood in the mouth re-entering the blood stream because it may have picked up bugs as it does so. Check this from the clickable link I posted earlier:

    "MVP causes your heart to be extra vulnerable to infections such as bacterial endocarditis. It is for this reason that you must take preventative medication (in the form of antibiotics) before you have any invasive procedures done. This includes going to the dentist, even if you're only getting your teeth cleaned. If just one piece of bacteria manages to get into your bloodstream through bleeding gums, you are at risk for bacterial endocarditis--which can kill you. This isn't said in order to scare you unnecessarily, only to make the point that it is extremely important to have your teeth cleaned regularly, and to take your antibiotics beforehand as prescribed by your doctor. Although some doctors claim that antibiotic treatment is unnecessary, I believe that it's better to be safe than sorry. You should talk it over with your cardiologist."

    Interesting, eh?

    Englishman.

  • LDH
    LDH

    Eman,

    I read that...it was a pretty good article and I would DEFINITELY suggest following your own dr's orders....

    And, to tell you the truth, I was a bit shocked that my cardiologist told me not to even bother taking the Antibiotics.... BUT he did give me evidence to show that the risk of the heart infection you mentioned isn't any higher in a random group of patients than it is in a group of patients with MVP.

    It was interesting though because he also told me that he has quite a few patients who come to him with the same symptoms, and yet, he can find no evidence of the heart palpitations etc..

    Some of thme insist on being on heart monitors continuously--which he has agreed to do, but haven't been able to prove their 'episodes.' So, those are the ones he writes off as panic attacks and sends them to their General Practitioner.

    I think the best thing is to go to your Dr. and get a full eval and poss referral to a cardiologist.

    BTW I do not have the symptoms when I am not pregnant. AND my DR offered no reason why SOME people could feel the palpitations and some can not.

    Lisa

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