Awake! January 2014 - Which 'basic' kind are humans?

by bats in the belfry 41 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • cofty
    cofty

    I was thinking of the very beautiful Mayfly Ephemeroptera.

    It has vestigal mouthparts but no functioning digestive system. It's very short adult life is totally committed to mating.

  • designs
    designs

    Nice chart. Genesis made sense to a goat herder 3000 years ago.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    What they don't mention is that ALL the kinds alive today had to fit on Noah's Ark. That severely limits the number of kinds, and requires rapid evolution within the kinds for this vague concept to hold true.

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    That quote in the OP is an example of using a lot of words in an arm-waving fashion, yet it provides no tangible information.

    God did not make life in a simple form and allow it to evolve into more complex forms. Instead, he created basic “kinds” of complex plants and animals, which then reproduced “according to their kinds.” ( Genesis 1:11, 21, 24 ) This process, which continues today, has resulted in the earth being filled with the same “kinds” of life that God originally created.

    The Bible does not specify how much variation can occur within a kind, as might result when animals within a kind interbreed and adapt to their environment. While some view such adaptations as a form of evolution, no new kind of life is produced. Modern research supports the idea that the basic categories of plants and animals have changed little over vast periods of time.

    The Bible’s scientific accuracy in describing basic “kinds” of life strengthens its credibility in other areas, including history and prophecy.

    Rather than actually answering any questions, it raises more questions. What does "kind" mean? What does 'basic "kinds"' mean? Does it mean species? Genus? Family? Order? Or what? Why doesn't the Bible specify how much variation can occur within a "kind"? It's easy enough to say that all dogs or all horses are the same "kind", but are these all the same "cat kind" or are they different "kinds"?

    Even just the cheetah species is a complicated study of genetics and history. Unfortunately for the Bible, the study of cheetah genetics proves that the story of the flood is pure fiction. Such an event would have destroyed genetic diversity and the "survivors" on the ark would not have adequate genetic diversity for much of a future, let alone provide a foundation for the millions of species alive today.

    More questions: Since species of plants, animals, and fish continue to be discovered, how can it be concluded that no new "kinds" are being produced? Since no new "kinds" of animals are wandering up Columbia Heights this decade, how can it be concluded that no new "kinds" of fish are evolving on a remote, isolated tributary of the Congo river? What "modern research" are they talking about? Quotes? Sources? What do they mean by "vast periods of time"? 1000 years? 4000 years? 65 million years? Is it "scientific accuracy" to make broad assertions without any specifics or proof? Can the Bible be considered credible when it includes the story of a global flood that is 100% fiction?

    Does Watchtower explain how kangaroos and koalas got from Noah's ark to Australia? Nope. GB = Fail.

    Edit to add: I guess pictures aren't resizing. Oops.

  • zound
    zound

    So a 'kind' could mean some sort of feline creature was put on the ark which then 'adapted' (or 'evolved' - as some people may say) into lions, tigers, grumpy cats etc. Same with canines etc.

    I would love to phone the Society and nail them down on this, to clarify 'kind', but the Australian branch defers all questions that are too hard.

  • Comatose
    Comatose

    That damn platypus sure is a strange kind.

    why did Jehoover make birds with two ovaries, but only one of them functions? He made them perfect... Hmmmm...

  • smiddy
    smiddy

    Does Watchtower explain how kangaroos and koalas got from Noah's ark to Australia? Nope. GB = Fail.

    What is interesting about Koalas is the fact that their sole source of food is the leaves of the Eucalyptus tree , australian gum native to the australian continent. Koala`s will not eat anything else. And it is not every variety of gum tree that they will eat the leaves from either , it is only a select few.

    So how could they survive the trek from the ark to australia without any source of food supply.?

    smiddy

  • Comatose
    Comatose

    And if the food was a miracle of god, then why not just do a tiny tiny magical act and save the animals with Holy Spirit? Once you introduce miracles as answers then you open pandoras box. If he did that miracle why not another? Why not just protect Noah's family and a few of all the animals like he is supposed to do at Armageddon?

  • snare&racket
    snare&racket

    a global flood with waters higher than everest.... someone doesn't understand science right there....

  • bats in the belfry
    bats in the belfry

    zound >>> So a 'kind' could mean some sort of feline creature was put on the ark which then 'adapted' (or 'evolved' - as some people may say) into lions, tigers, grumpy cats etc. Same with canines etc.

    If that were true then the WTBTS believes in a much faster kind of evolution than the evolutionists they condemn.

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