Candace Conti Lawsuit -- Your opinion?

by DesirousOfChange 59 Replies latest members private

  • Prime
    Prime
    They are different. At church, not warning the parents about some predator/pedophile but telling parents to watch their kids is pretty much enough. (Not always, but tends to be.) They are not assigning your daughter or son to work alone with this fellow.
    And we already establish that the elders don't keep knowledge confidential like a confession, but share it with the organization.
    Besides, if you are going to be claiming you are "God's one true organization," you should be guided to know when it is necessary to protect the children and God can protect His own organization from reproach in that situation.

    A service conductor isn't going to assign a minor to work with an adult other than the parent(s). If he did, he'd be confronted and asked not to do it again. Even if the service conductor assigned a minor to work with an adult other than the parent(s), the parents would still have to permit such an arrangement. I've never heard of anyone being assaulted in the door-to-door ministry, but the 10/01/2012 BOE states that a person with any kind of history of abuse is not to "work alone in field service (hence, they should always be accompanied by another adult)."

    "Parents watching their kids" has nothing to do with this recent lawsuit, as Jonathan Kendrick was allegedly taking the plaintiff off in his car alone. Such an arrangement would require the parent's expressed permission. Warning others about the presence of a potentially abusive person is definitely an issue to address. The 10/01/2012 BOE states the following; "At the same time that parents are warned about an individual, it would be appropriate for the elders to inform the individual that parents in the congregation will be discreetly informed."

    As for what you've stated here; "And we already establish that the elders don't keep knowledge confidential like a confession, but share it with the organization." This is something the elders do if local privacy laws permit.

    http://www.jw-media.org/aboutjw/article23.htm

    However, even if the elders cannot take congregational action, they are expected to report the allegation to the branch office of Jehovah's Witnesses in their country, if local privacy laws permit. In addition to making a report to the branch office, the elders may be required by law to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities. If so, the elders receive proper legal direction to ensure that they comply with the law. Additionally, the victim or anyone else who has knowledge of the allegation may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.

    There are authorized channels to issue warnings to others about something of this nature.

    http://www.umc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=lwL4KnN1LtH&b=4951419&ct=6833419

    Methodist Church: Church Participation by a Registered Child Sex Offender - Adopted in 2004

    What's stated in the 10/01/2012 BOE obviously applies to anyone on the national sex-offender registry. Divulging this type of information into the congregation through an unauthorized channel can result in a defamation lawsuit.

    http://www.macon.com/2010/07/07/1187436/500k-awarded-in-slander-lawsuit.html

    A Twiggs County jury has awarded a Houston County woman more than $500,000 in damages and attorney's fees after her former pastor told the congregation in 2006 that she had committed some form of "fornication."

    No organization/church has ever been sued for church leaders failing to disclose the identity of a known abuser to their church nor can they be. There have been clergymen/pastors that have been charged for failing to comply with mandatory reporting laws. To my knowledge, no elder(s) of Jehovah's Witnesses have ever been charged.

    http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/Phoenix-dad-accused-of-molesting-daughters-2-pastors-arrested-for-not-reporting-abuse-99483409.html

    As mandatory reporters under Arizona Revised Statue, Holmes said the pastors had a duty to report to CPS and/or law enforcement that this was occurring.

    The pastors were both arrested Tuesday and booked on one count each of failure to report sexual abuse.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/13-year-old-raped-church-and-girl-s-mother-sues-church-for-covering-it-up

    The rapist was identified as Chris Denman, a 20-year old former employee of the church. He was arrested for allegedly raping the girl in a stairwell on the main campus of the 17,000-member church.

    The accused staff members, who are pleading not guilty to a misdemeanor count of failing to report child abuse, were assigned different roles after the incident.

    Senior Pastor Daugherty has also apologized for the incident and called upon the congregation to report any incidents of abuse that they notice or become aware of.

    The church continues to fight the $75,000 lawsuit.

  • Sayswho
    Sayswho

    I really dislike people or an organization that hide behind a law instead of doing what's right...Or saying i was following orders! This is the case here, they knew what should of been their course of action and chose not to do it.

    It's sad but the ones that are bringing reproach on Gods name are the GB and their councils!

    SW

  • life is to short
    life is to short

    Prime said "A service conductor isn't going to assign a minor to work with an adult other than the parent(s). If he did, he'd be confronted and asked not to do it again. Even if the service conductor assigned a minor to work with an adult other than the parent(s), the parents would still have to permit such an arrangement."

    Prime I do not what KH you go to but it happens all the time in all the halls I have been in. I have seen children as young as 5 years old little girls and boys going along with adults. The service conductor I guess thinks its cute for a young child to be split up from her family. I find it sick. The elders seem to think it makes the child feel grown up. Just a couple of months ago the service conductor put a 9 year old girl alone with a group of men two elders and one an ex elder all over the age of 50 her parents went somewhere else, the mother felt it was fine because they were elders. What 9 year old little girl wants to be with a group of old men?

    The pedophiles in the hall I went to one even had a sleep over of little boys. He was allowed to hold and take care of children durning the meetings all with the approval of the elders because he was 'helping single moms.' I have NEVER SEEN AS YOU SAY any elder being CONFRONTED AND ASKED NOT TO DO IT AGAIN. What world do you live in anyway, not the JW world for sure. And DO NOT CALL ME A LAIR as I have seen it with my own eyes. What you said is pure garbage. What happens in the real world is what we are talking about and yes I was threatened with being DF'ed because I found a man who had raped a eight year old child disgusting for hold little girls and mentoring children. Also I was told BY A CO I had no chose but to take pedophiles in my car door to door because my husband was an elder and I as a women had no say.

    Prime I will not engage you anymore as I hate the way you distort things to make things seem the way you want them to be it is not that way in the real world. Life is too short to waste time fighting with someone like you who cannot and will not aknowledge the truth.

    LITS

  • breakfast of champions
    breakfast of champions

    A service conductor isn't going to assign a minor to work with an adult other than the parent(s).

    This statement causes me to doubt whether you are or ever have been a Jehovah's Witness. This happens all of the time, nothing extrordinary.

  • Prime
    Prime
    Prime I do not what KH you go to but it happens all the time in all the halls I have been in. I have seen children as young as 5 years old little girls and boys going along with adults. The service conductor I guess thinks its cute for a young child to be split up from her family. I find it sick. The elders seem to think it makes the child feel grown up. Just a couple of months ago the service conductor put a 9 year old girl alone with a group of men two elders and one an ex elder all over the age of 50 her parents went somewhere else, the mother felt it was fine because they were elders. What 9 year old little girl wants to be with a group of old men?
    The pedophiles in the hall I went to one even had a sleep over of little boys. He was allowed to hold and take care of children durning the meetings all with the approval of the elders because he was 'helping single moms.' I have NEVER SEEN AS YOU SAY any elder being CONFRONTED AND ASKED NOT TO DO IT AGAIN. What world do you live in anyway, not the JW world for sure. And DO NOT CALL ME A LAIR as I have seen it with my own eyes. What you said is pure garbage. What happens in the real world is what we are talking about and yes I was threatened with being DF'ed because I found a man who had raped a eight year old child disgusting for hold little girls and mentoring children. Also I was told BY A CO I had no chose but to take pedophiles in my car door to door because my husband was an elder and I as a women had no say.
    Prime I will not engage you anymore as I hate the way you distort things to make things seem the way you want them to be it is not that way in the real world. Life is too short to waste time fighting with someone like you who cannot and will not aknowledge the truth.
    LITS

    I was raised as one of JWs. I just turned 40. I've never witnessed anything you described. This is generally the situation with anonymous stories on the internet.

  • jookbeard
    jookbeard

    not anonymous internet stories just re lived world wide examples of your fxxxd up dirty cult, used to happen in my KH .

    [Edited for language, guideline 3. - jgnat]

  • sd-7
    sd-7

    Well, it's clear that the elders failed to exercise a reasonable degree of care for the children in the congregation. Thing is, I have insider knowledge, so it would be impossible to be an unbiased juror on a case like this.

    But clearly, since the elders knew this guy was dangerous and not only didn't consider calling the cops themselves, but primarily, didn't even check up on the perpetrator's family to find out how they were doing and had to find out some other way that they'd called the police on this guy at some point. That tells me they could not possibly have been 'keeping an eye' on this man.

    The Watchtower Society cannot make people not do bad things, per se. So I don't think they're 100% responsible for this--most of the blame rests upon Kendricks himself. But the elders and Watchtower share all the rest of it for their irresponsible, self-serving behavior.

    Throw the book at all of 'em.

    --sd-7

  • GLTirebiter
    GLTirebiter
    A service conductor isn't going to assign a minor to work with an adult other than the parent(s).

    They do where I live. My Ex and I had a major disagreement about her sending our adolescent child to go out in service without Ex going along. Of course, that only proved that "I hate the Witnesses", not that I think children should have parental supervision. Especially after she described one of the elderly brothers as "a dirty old man".

  • Prime
    Prime
    not anonymous internet stories just re lived world wide examples of your fucked up dirty cult, used to happen in my KH.

    Anyone in the “wide world” with a shred of personal integrity sticks to what can reasonably be proven. You using the f-word doesn't change this.

  • Prime
    Prime
    They do where I live. My Ex and I had a major disagreement about her sending our adolescent child to go out in service without Ex going along. Of course, that only proved that "I hate the Witnesses", not that I think children should have parental supervision. Especially after she described one of the elderly brothers as "a dirty old man".

    A person doesn't even have to be baptized to participate in the door-to-door ministry. Anyone who does participate isn't going to witness anything you described. There could be a rare exception, but 99% of the time, what you described will not occur for the reason you just stated; it's not practical or appropriate and parent(s) will object.

    "Our kid's not going off alone with Joe Blow, he/she's working with us, we're his/her parents."

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