Kermit Gosnell, MD.
by Glander 65 Replies latest social current
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finally awake
what little I have read about this case is truly horrifying. There is no excuse for his actions.
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BizzyBee
Seems that the accountable parties, besides Gosnell and his staff, are:
Pennsylvania Department of Health
state Home Health Division
Philadelphia Health Department
State Board of Medicine
Bureau of Professional and Occupational Affairs
Department of Health
Department of State
When PP received complaints from Gosnell patients, they urged women to report it to the Department of Health. Many women did that, but their complaints were dismissed until finally the clinic was raided by DEA and the Philadelphia DA in 2010. Neither Gosnell's clinic - nor any clinic in PA - had been inspected by DoH since 1993.
The more the anti-abortion zealots push the states to enact legislation that make safe, accessible abortion services unable to operate, the more of these kinds of horror stories we will see.
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designs
Greed and lack of ethical and moral concern for his patients, this is a person who should have had his medical license revoked years ago. It seems the local medical oversight boards failed in their responsiblities to the public when they knew his clinic was filthy and procedures were being carried out by nonlicensed staff.
Roe v Wade and Planned Parenthood were to help women and end back alley clinics like Gosnell's. Medical fraud runs in the multi-billion dollar range every year in this country.
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Justitia Themis
Can anyone find one mainstream/credible media outlet that has verified Planned Parenthood's alleged testimony? One? I can't.
The testimony was not before Congress, as was claimed. It was a Planned Parenthood lobbyist testifying regarding a proposed Florida bill; hence, she is neither a physician, nor a lawyer, but a paid, talking head who clearly wasn't qualified to speak to this issue.
Nevertheless, her statement is basically correct: the decision is left to the parents.
This is NOT infanticide. The question being asked is whether doctors should be mandated to intervene to stop the fetus's death. Hence the doctor isn't killing the baby; the baby will die without medical intervention. Infanticide is a positive action; refraining from medically intervening is a negative action.
If this is infanticide, then the parents of children who are born with life-threatening diseases/genetic conditions but allowed to die without medical intervention are committing infanticide also. Yet, wacko Christian fundies would call these people murderers too.
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Glander
Seems that the accountable parties, besides Gosnell and his staff, are:
Pennsylvania Department of Health
state Home Health Division
Philadelphia Health Department
State Board of Medicine
Bureau of Professional and Occupational Affairs
Department of Health
Department of State
Thanks for the info. The alphabet soup of bureaucracies. Plenty of guilt to go around. But Gosnell is the ultimate killer of live babies outside the womb. Not to mention the adult woman he is accused of killing by incompetence.
I am not against the abortion law. My personal feelings aside ("make it rare"), I think it is extremely important to enforce the law on gestation limits, etc. or this practice could slip into Nazi style atrocities.
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drewcoul
The more the anti-abortion zealots push the states to enact legislation that make safe, accessible abortion services unable to operate,
the more of these kinds of horror stories we will see.
This is complete and utter B.S. To blame pro-lifers for this is like blaming the Allied forces for the holocaust. This is the fault of one man and his staff.
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BizzyBee
drew,
What do you think women did before abortion was legal?
The anti-abortion forces in this country have always worked for the total repeal of Roe v. Wade. Until they succeed at that, they are working to make it more and more difficult for women to access abortion providers. They are influencing legislators at the state level to enact onerous and capricious bills that virtually bar women's health clinics from operating. There are some regions of the country that have no providers due to intimidation and threats. Providers in Mississippi have dwindled from 6 down to one (at last report - it may be 0 by now.)
So, poor women, with no services in their area, who do not have the wherewithal to travel 500 miles, but who are determined to have an abortion, can choose from the methods used before abortion was legal: self-induced or back-alley (which is about what I would consider Kermit Gosnell's services).
Either way puts women's lives at risk.
Self-induced leads to this -
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/09/way-it-was
(warning - very graphic photo)
Back-alley leads to butchers like Gosnell or just incompetent, ill-trained practitioners.
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Berengaria
Wow, there is a whole lot of misinformation being thrown about here.
Gosnell is one issue, the Planned Parenthood video is quite another. As a matter of fact, anyone who tries to juxtapose the two has been accessing too much right wing media. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.
Gosnell is a dispicable law breaker. Period. Personal gain appears to have been his only motivation.
The above video of the PP woman is completely out of context. The extremely rare hypothetical highlighted in the video was pure propaganda by the anti-choice crowd. This was a hearing on a FL bill with specific language that PP opposed. There is already a Federal law that protects viable births in the case of "botched abortions". Again a very very rare occurance. For one thing, abortions after 24 weeks are illegal in most states, other than for the health of the mother. Less than 1.5 percent of abortions across the country are during this period.
Here is what PP FL had to say.
http://www.ppaction.org/site/PageServer?pagename=fl_fappa_website_news
April 1, 2013
Statement regarding Planned Parenthood's testimony on HB 1129
"Last week, a panel of Florida state legislators demanded speculation about a vague set of extremely unlikely and highly unusual medical circumstances. Medical guidelines and ethics already compel physicians facing life-threatening circumstances to respond, and Planned Parenthood physicians provide high-quality medical care and adhere to the most rigorous professional standards, including providing emergency care. In the extremely unlikely event that the scenario presented by the panel of legislators should happen, of course Planned Parenthood would provide appropriate care to both the woman and the infant."
-Barbara Zdravecky, FAPPA Board Chair
April 4, 2013
Planned Parenthood Testimony in Florida House Health & Human Services Comittee
"Thank you Chairman and committee members. My name is Lillian Tamayo and I'm representing the Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates. I'm here today to thank Representative Pigman for listening to our concerns about HB 1129 and addressing them by amending the legislation. With the most recent amendment today we are now able to withdraw our opposition to this bill.
The Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates originally expressed concerns about HB 1129, because some language went beyond health and safety issues.
Following a hearing last week in the House of Representatives Civil Justice Subcommittee, some biased media outlets reported our position inaccurately.
To ensure that there is no confusion about our position – which has been consistent throughout and is rooted in Planned Parenthood’s role as a provider of cancer screenings, STD tests, birth control, and other basic, preventive health care to more than 80,000 people across Florida every year, I want to take this opportunity to restate our position.
As a trusted health care provider, Planned Parenthood strongly condemns any physician who does not follow the law or endangers a woman's or child's health. And while HB 1129 addresses a situation that is extremely unlikely and highly unusual, if the scenario presented by the legislation should happen, of course a Planned Parenthood doctor would provide appropriate care to both the woman and the infant.
Both general medical guidelines and ethics and Planned Parenthood's own policies already compel physicians facing life-threatening circumstances to respond, and Planned Parenthood physicians provide high-quality medical care and adhere to the most rigorous professional standards, including providing emergency care.
I want to be clear that Planned Parenthood works every day to ensure women, men and families can lead healthy lives with access to health care. More than 90 percent of what we do is preventive care such as life saving cancer screenings and STD testing and treatment.
Hundreds of thousands of people across Florida know what we stand for first-hand – they’re the women who have children today because Planned Parenthood helped them control their Endometriosis and preserve their fertility, the young men who are able to have jobs and families because we helped detect their HIV early, and the women who will live to see their grandchildren because we caught their breast cancer.
We again want to thank the bill sponsor for addressing our concerns and therefore we can withdraw our opposition.
Thank you."
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Berengaria
This is complete and utter B.S. To blame pro-lifers for this is like blaming the Allied forces for the holocaust.
Ooooohhhh ouch. Time to read up on the history of both the Holocaust, and abortion.