Governing Body more popular than Jesus Christ? Where have we heard this before?
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free2beme
John got so screwed in this comment. As he was dead right! But Americans at that time, did not have Internet and did not realize Christianity was not the largest religion in the world. So more people knew of the Beattles across country lines, states and religions, then knew about Jesus Christ. Imagine what would cause him to later make a song about the peace of no religion.
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glenster
"Imagine what would cause him to later make a song about the peace of no
religion."I think John will back me up:
Lennon told Sheff that Dick Gregory had given Ono and him a Christian
prayer book, which helped inspire in Lennon what he described as:"The concept of positive prayer ... If you can imagine a world at peace, with
no denominations of religion—-not without religion but without this my God-is-
bigger-than-your-God thing-—then it can be true ... the World Church called me
once and asked, "Can we use the lyrics to 'Imagine' and just change it to
'Imagine one religion'?" That showed [me] they didn't understand it at all. It
would defeat the whole purpose of the song, the whole idea."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagine_%28song%29Not all one religion or all disbelief--just don't be 'centric and intolerant
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glenster
"Imagine"--it's origin as a sugar-coated Communist Manifesto
and how John got sugared himself
Some more familiar with communism may want to add details.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CommunismImagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peaceSome humanists think religion causes people to neglect current human
conditions in favoring an existence to come. This ignores the better
religious social efforts and progressive advocacy in strict adherence to
the communist view that religion is "the opiate of the masses" and should
be eliminated.
Imagine calls for people to not have a hope for a possible Heaven beyond the
known things in the name of a plan for a real "heaven on Earth" beyond
what's realistic to expect.
In communism, government will become unnecessary because everyone will
share...after a communist government makes them do it for a while....
Violence between governments will not exist although it's a recipe for
worldwide anarchy so not a cure for violence.You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as oneImagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the worldThe communist stance of everyone sharing everything. It might diminish the
motive for higher learning for people to end up with the same whether they
take eight years of college or none.
http://www.rusbasan.com/Politics/John_Lennon_Imagines.htmlThis view evolved with time.
For John on a communist advocacy of revolution, free the workers/proletariat,
Janov's primal therapy, real pain, etc., and discouragement of bourgeois
capitalism, religion, parent figures, etc., see the site at the next link.
(John Lennon and Yoko Ono talk to Robin Blackburn and Tariq Ali for the left-
wing newspaper Red Mole)
http://marxsite.com/Lennon%20interview.htm"So that’s my feeling. The idea was don’t aggravate the pig by waving the
thing that aggravates–by waving the Red flag in his face. You know, I really
thought that love would save us all. But now I’m wearing a Chairman Mao badge."I’m just beginning to think he’s doing a good job. I would never know until I
went to China. I’m not going to be like that, I was just always interested
enough to sing about him. I just wondered what the kids who were actually
Maoists were doing. I wondered what their motive was and what was really going
on. I thought if they wanted revolution, if they really want to be subtle,
what’s the point of saying “I’m a Maoist and why don’t you shoot me down?” I
thought that wasn’t a very clever way of getting what they wanted.
http://www.jannswenner.com/archives/john_lennon_part2.aspx"'Imagine that there was no more religion, no more country, no more politics,'
is virtually the Communist manifesto, even though I'm not particularly a Commu-
nist and I do not belong to any movement." He told NME: "There is no real Commu-
nist state in the world; you must realize that. The Socialism I speak about ...
[is] not the way some daft Russian might do it, or the Chinese might do it. That
might suit them. Us, we should have a nice...British Socialism."Lennon once told Paul McCartney that "Imagine" was "'Working Class Hero' with
sugar on it for conservatives like yourself."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagine_%28song%29Around then John moved from the UK and high taxes to the US and more rewarding
capitalism."the radicalism was phony, really, because it was out of guilt. I’d always
felt guilty that I had made money, so I had to give it away or lose it. I don’t
mean I was a hypocrite, I mean when I believe, I believe right down to the
boots. But (what I was doing) fighting the American government just because
Jerry Rubin couldn’t get what he really wanted--a nice cushy job." (Newsweek,
Sept 29, 1980)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2638486/postsIf it boils down to just support for some welfare programs, encouragement
for charity, and discouraging people from being 'centric and intolerant about
things that aren't character determinants, the call for no heaven/religion is
is an awkward reminder of the concerns the song arose from. It would be better
served by a suggestion to not be 'centric and intolerant about the belief/non-
belief differences in calling on everyone to support welfare, etc. Like John
adjusted, Imagine can be imagined that way to adjust to that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagine_%28song%29