Confused about Satan's plan according to WTS

by new22day 17 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • transhuman68
    transhuman68

    ok. lol. Here's some quotes from the 1982 Live Forever book:

    SATAN'S WORLD-WHAT IS IT?
    Jesus called Satan "the ruler of this world." And the apostle John said that "the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one." (John 12:31; 1 John 5:19)
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    8 These political governments make up another important part of Satan's world. As we have already noted, they are represented in the Bible as beasts. (Daniel 7:1-8, 17, 23) That these beastlike governments receive their power from Satan is shown by a vision written down by the apostle John: "I saw a wild beast ascending out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads ... And the dragon gave to the beast its power." (Revelation 13:1, 2; 12:9) Further proof that these kingdoms, or governments, are part of Satan's world is the fact that Satan tempted Jesus by offering these kingdoms to him. Satan could not have done this if he had not been the ruler of them.-Matthew 4:8, 9.
    9 Yet another prominent part of Satan's world is the greedy and oppressive commercial system, which is referred to at Revelation 18:11 as "traveling merchants." This commercial system promotes a selfish desire in people to obtain the things it produces, even though they may not need them and may be even better off without them.
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    Satan's world-his organized human society-is made up of various closely connected parts. An important part is false religion. In the Bible false religion is represented as a "great harlot," or prostitute, with the name "Babylon the Great." She is a world empire, as shown by the fact that she "has a kingdom over the kings of the earth." (Revelation 17:1, 5, 18)
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    So there's the picture- if you go to church, go shopping, or vote, you're in part of Satan's world. Very scary,lol. And here's Fred Franz's explanation of why the U.N decides to destroy religion- from the 1962 Babylon The Great book:

    As regards Babylon the Great, she kept up her harlotry with the "kings of the earth." Under the leadership of Christendom she
    should have known that the Gentile Times for modern-day Gentile kings to rule had run out. Yet she at once sanctified the
    international political organization of rulers in her own way, by her own rituals. By doing this she determined to make earth’s
    inhabitants drink still more from her "golden cup" and get worse "drunk with the wine of her fornication." In this way she
    mounted the scarlet-colored "wild beast" in 1920 in order to ride it.
    At God’s due time, and by the force of circumstances that he will produce, the present-day lovers of Babylon the Great will turn
    on her with disgust and violent designs. Their turning upon her will not necessarily mean that they will go communistic along
    either the Soviet Russian line or the Red Chinese line. At the time of publishing this book the majority of the symbolic "ten
    kings" who are in the United Nations are unwilling to turn against the world empire of Babylonish religion. The Secretary-
    General of the UN is, not a "Christian," but a Buddhist. The president of the seventeenth session of the UN’s General
    Assembly is a Mohammedan.
    Before Jehovah God destroys those "ten kings" at the place Biblically called Har–Magedon, he will cause their passionate love
    of the "great harlot" to turn to hatred. He has done such a thing before. In ancient times he warned religious Jerusalem that he
    would bring her former passionate lovers against her to mutilate and destroy her. He had already caused a like experience to
    befall Samaria, her sister capital. Read the prophecies on this in Ezekiel 16:33-42 and ÞEze Ü23:1-31. Great Babylon is no
    better than unfaithful, apostate Jerusalem. She deserves to be destroyed like a harlot, and Jehovah God will see to it that,
    ironically, her former lovers will take a hand in the violent destruction of her.

    And this from the 1988 Revelation Climax book page 258:

    21 Yes, the nations will use the scarlet-colored wild beast, the United Nations, in destroying Babylon the Great. They do not act on their own initiative, for Jehovah puts it into their hearts "even to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast." When the time comes, the nations will evidently see the need to strengthen the United Nations. They will give it teeth, as it were, lending it whatever authority and power they possess so that it can turn upon false religion and fight successfully against her "until the words of God will have been accomplished." Thus, the ancient harlot will come to her complete end. And good riddance to her!


    This all sounded more plausible in the 20th century- now it just seems nuts!

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    So, the beast (the un) destroying the harlot (false religion) isn't satans plan at all. Its gods alteration to satans plans.

    S

  • transhuman68
    transhuman68

    Yes, that's the cunning plan! . If any normal person wrote that stuff, they would be locked up in a psych ward- but because its written for a religious purpose they are thought to be sane...

  • new22day
    new22day

    Hey - Thanks Transhuman -- Yeah, that's pretty convoluted. A beast and harlot in cahoots but then Jehovah causes a riff and they turn on each other and end the world. Or something like that.

    If we know about this plan, do you think Satan has gotten word of it?

  • pixel
    pixel

    Good question. Jesus asked the same question:

    Mark 3:23

    And he called them to him and said to them in parables, “How can Satan cast out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. 26 And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but is coming to an end.

  • innerpeace
    innerpeace

    Do they still believe in the peace and security cry? I remember in the 90's that was all the talk, how the nations would declare peace and security and then the tribulation would start. If I remember correctly, they were still talking that way just a few years ago at one of the last meetings I went to, but maybe Im wrong and out of the loop now.

  • ballistic
    ballistic

    PS > I don't belief in Satan, just trying to understand the logic.

    You're playing devils advocate? ;)

  • Emery
    Emery

    Like all living creatures we strive to exist until the very bitter end. The WTS says Satan is very desperate because he knows his time is short. So why would Satan pursue a course that will set in motion the proceedings of his demise? It's counter-intuitive to his entire existence. So you're telling me that a super natural, millennially intelligent super being has the blue prints to his survival yet rejects it? Now some will say God has it programmed in prophecy to have this happen, however this will cause me to question why the hell we had to suffer for over 6,000 years of our existence to arrive at something that should have happened thousands of years ago. How much of are lives are divinely programmed? How much free will do we really have then? If God could have created a world with free will and no suffering, wtf didn't he do it in the beginning? Isn't that what paradise or heaven is already destined to be? C'mon man.

    This subject alone can turn anyone agnostic / atheist.

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