Is the WTBTS Responsible for What Attendees Do After an Assembly?

by PaintedToeNail 19 Replies latest jw experiences

  • PaintedToeNail
    PaintedToeNail

    This is in response to Jim TX's comment on another thread. The WTBTS claims that the organizers of events such as a congregation picnic or a party are responsible for what the attendees do AFTER the event has ended. Example: If several people meet and engage in 'fornication' afterwards, the organizer is culpable. Does the WTBTS hold themselves responsible for what JW's do after a District Convention? I've seen some who party hardy while at the lodgings, getting totally wasted.

    Should the WTBTS hold large assemblies? Can they be SURE no one is engaged in heavy petting or fornication after the sessions? Could some come together and imbibe in alcohol or illicit drug use? Are they sure that all attendees are engaged in WHOLESOME activity after the sessions? Should the WTBTS be reproved or disfellowshipped for not obeying themselves?

  • QueenWitch
    QueenWitch

    only "responsible" that any bad behavior taints Jehovah's name.

  • sir82
    sir82
    Example: If several people meet and engage in 'fornication' afterwards, the organizer is culpable.

    Source? I've never seen or heard anything like that.

    The closest I can think of is a warning that if someone gets drunk at a JW party, then kills a pedestrian while drunk driving, the host would share some reponsibility.

    Which actually seems pretty reasonable. If a bartender or host continues to serve someone who is obviously drunk, he/she should beear a part of teh blame.

  • PaintedToeNail
    PaintedToeNail

    There was a Watchtower article which talked about large weddings, which wasn't a good thing to do. You were supposed to have a 'wedding director' to make sure that no one over imbibed, that the music wasn't too loud and so forth. There were articles in the 1980's that discussed how JW's shouldn't have costume parties as it encouraged people to behave licensentiously.

    As Jim stated, it was often brought out that large gatherings were verbotten, as you couldn't guarantee what people were doing during and after. Look at all the JW illustrations that feature gatherings, only a small few are there, the women dressed in dresses, the guys in dress slacks and someone seems to always be playing a guitar...

    Sorry, I just realized that I posted this thread under the wrong topic, sorry!

  • zed is dead
    zed is dead

    marked

  • blondie
    blondie

    *** km 9/95 p. 2 pars. 2-5 Do All Things for God’s Glory ***

    2 Organized Social Affairs: Whether we are “eating or drinking or doing anything else,” we should “do all things for God’s glory.” (1 Cor. 10:31-33) This counsel is not observed by some, and problems continue to develop because of social gatherings too large to be properly supervised. In some instances, hundreds of people are invited to elaborate functions where worldly entertainment is featured. Sometimes those attending are asked to pay admission or other fees. Such gatherings closely resemble worldly affairs, the spirit of which is out of harmony with decency and Bible principles.—Rom. 13:13, 14; Eph. 5:15-20.

    3 It has been reported that large numbers of Witnesses have gathered at rented facilities where the entertainment is unwholesome and worldly and where proper supervision is lacking. Similar activities advertised as a “Jehovah’s Witness” weekend have been held at hotels or resorts. Because of the difficulty in properly supervising such large groups, problems have developed. Rowdiness, overindulgence in alcoholic beverages, and even immorality have sometimes resulted. (Eph. 5:3, 4) Social gatherings where such conduct occurs do not honor Jehovah. Rather, they bring reproach upon the good name of the congregation and stumble others.—1 Cor. 10:23, 24, 29.

    4 Christians are encouraged to show hospitality, but the emphasis should be focused on the spiritual interchange. (Rom. 1:11, 12) Small get-togethers are usually best. The Our Ministry book says on pages 135-6: “At times, several families may be invited to a home for Christian fellowship. . . . Reasonably, those who are hosts in such cases should feel personally responsible for what takes place. With this in mind, discerning Christians have seen the wisdom of limiting the size of such groups and the duration of the gatherings.” Jesus indicated that nothing elaborate is needed when our goal is to encourage our friends spiritually.—Luke 10:40-42.

    5 It is a fine thing to show hospitality to fellow Christians. However, there is a big difference between a modest gathering in our home and an elaborate affair reflecting a worldly spirit in a rented facility. When you invite others to be your guests, you should be sure that you can assume full responsibility for what takes place.—See The Watchtower of August 15, 1992, pages 17-20.

    *** w86 5/1 pp. 18-19 pars. 12-13 ‘Keep Spotless, Unblemished, and in Peace’ ***

    12 Remaining spotless and unblemished calls for conduct and attitudes opposite to those of “false teachers” concerning whom Peter wrote: “They consider luxurious living in the daytime a pleasure. They are spots and blemishes, indulging with unrestrained delight in their deceptive teachings while feasting together with you.” (2 Peter 2:1, 13) Yes, even within the congregation, we must beware of false teachers who “consider luxurious living in the daytime a pleasure.” During daylight hours, when so much could be done for the spiritual benefit of others, unspiritual persons may engage in wrongdoing, including revelries and excesses in food and drink. They may try to convert such social events as wedding receptions into occasions for passion-arousing music, sensuous dancing, gluttony, and overindulgence in alcoholic beverages. None of this should be allowed to happen among Jehovah’s people.—Isaiah 5:11, 12; see The Watchtower, April 15, 1984, pages 16-22.

    13 The host at a social gathering is responsible for what occurs there. So that the event will be spiritually upbuilding, it is wise to keep it manageable in size and not to invite anyone likely to bring in an unwholesome influence.

    *** km 7/74 p. 3 par. 5 Social Gatherings ***It definitely is proper for Christians to be hospitable. (Rom. 12:13) But when arranging to entertain others, the size of the gathering is a factor to consider. Experience has shown that there can be pitfalls and problems in connection with large social gatherings. The one who is the host has a serious responsibility. He is accountable for what takes place at a gathering that is under his jurisdiction. At a get-together in one’s own home it is not usually difficult to determine who will be present and what the activities will be. But problems along these lines may increase when there is a large group in a rented facility.

    *** w62 8/1 p. 470 Do You Live Your Faith? ***

    The need to live our faith applies to private gatherings of Christians too. On such occasions it is the host’s responsibility to see that no “holiday” is taken from the Christian course of conduct that accords with the wisdom from above and with God’s spirit. (Jas. 3:17; Gal. 5:22-25) The tone of the discussion, the use of food and drink and the type of music and dancing, if any, should reflect the Christian modesty of those present.

  • blondie
    blondie

    *** w77 9/1 pp. 524-525 par. 18 ‘See Good for Your Hard Work’ ***

    At any time that God’s servants enjoy companionship with one another, they should keep in mind the Bible’s admonition: “Whether you are eating or drinking or doing anything else, do all things for God’s glory.” (1 Cor. 10:31) We can ask ourselves the question, Is the occasion really bringing praise to Jehovah God? Usually upbuilding association can be enjoyed by all when social get-togethers are kept to a reasonable size, when care is exercised regarding who is invited and the Christian host conscientiously assumes full responsibility for what takes place.

  • nonjwspouse
    nonjwspouse

    Good job blondie! The WTS again " do as we say, not as we do" ... now where have I heard that before?.......

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    Can I have some of that "passion- arousing music" please ? Strange what makes the Writing Department boys get a hard on. (Woodie, boner you know).

  • zed is dead
    zed is dead

    While I was still an active JW, friends and I would discuss these articles and how ridiculous they are. We drew the parallel between parties and the District Conventions. What is the biggest social gatherings JW's have? Have any young couples been caught fornicating while there? Is the convention chairman responsible for this conduct?

    Enquiring minds want to know . . .

    zed

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