How Could Jesus Be A Perfect Human When...?

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  • Larsinger58
    Larsinger58

    More specifically, the WTS at one point claimed that the "life" of someone comes from the father, the sperm. Christ was born without a human father and thus did not inherit sin.

    I did a little search and did not come up with a direct quote for this concept, so I'm not sure if they've backed away from that. What they seem to be saying now is that Jehovah could create a perfect human if he wishes, becoming the father of Christ as he was the father of Adam without the usual need for a human birth from a mother and father.

    But perhaps they backed away from this as this would imply that the Nephillum, the children of rebel angels and humans might have been perfect, not inheriting Adamic sin. They were mortal, but still perfect and thus might have had an extended lifespan until God killed them.

    Thus the question is valid whether or not an imperfect ovum from Mary would produce an impefect child. Maybe you need the father to be imperfect in order to produce transfer an imperfect life. This, of course, suggests that even though Eve ate of the forbidden fruit, that had Adam remained faithful, Eve still could have born him perfect children though she herself was imperfect after she ate of the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge.

    But it is a moot point, as whatever it took, Jesus was born a perfect human, not one with inherited sin from Adam. Thus for his first coming he is represented by unfermented cakes, meaning his body was without sin, however God accomplished that. But the second time he comes, he is represented by a leavened loaf from the house, meaning he is not in a perfect body and his 2nd coming is not for the sake of a sacrifice, but for the sake of being a king. So the next time he appears, he is in an imperfect body, not needing to be born as an infant nor a perfect man. That is, he simply uses the body of one of his followers at the second coming, an imperfect man.

    So that's an important point. He only had to be perfect the first time he arrived, but not the second.

    Of course, God could have cured the ovum of imperfection before feretilizing it. He could have used the DNA from Mary after removing the imperfection. We just don't know. All we know is the result was a perfect human child.

    Again, the WTS used to take the position that the "life" comes from the father and so Christ was born perfect, not having a human father. But that suggests that the children of the fallen angels were perfect. Apparently they thought about this because I did see a reference where they make it a very clear point that the angel Gabriel did not impregnate Mary. That is, no materialized angel had sex with her, which I guess might have produced a perfect human if the state of the father was the critical determining factor.

    My interpretation leans now toward Jehovah removing the imperfection from Mary's ovum or just using the DNA from that ovum and placing it in a perfect one, creating a perfect child. Thus nothing was imperfect about Jesus, though he did share Mary's DNA, who was a descendant of king David. The second time he arrives, he must come through the line of Joseph, but he will be implanted into an imperfect body.

  • mP
    mP

    Everybody knows the that Jesus of the gospels was a fraud. The real jesus is with us here and he likes to hide under the name Larsinger.

  • bats in the belfry
    bats in the belfry

    . . . don't know what to think of it - just saw this on their WT library:

    Scientifically Possible?

    Reproduction without a male is known as parthenogenesis [Greek, parthenos meaning “maiden” plus “genesis”]. Recently scientists have been experimenting successfully with parthenogenesis in mammals. The Economist of August 1, 1981, reports: “Embryo development in the absence of sperm is the natural means of reproduction in many lower species of animal. . . . Parthenogenesis is being studied using laboratory mice. Several means exist for artificially activating an unfertilised mouse egg.”

    Similarly, Dr. M. B. V. Roberts of Marlborough College, England, writes: “An unfertilized egg was removed from a female rabbit, activated by pricking, and then popped back into the uterus. Hormone treatment had been previously given to the female so that her uterine mucosa was prepared for implantation. Normal development ensued, and a visibly normal offspring was produced.”

    Are we to conclude from this that God induced Mary’s pregnancy in some such way from an unfertilized egg? No. From the accompanying chart, you can see why. If Mary’s firstborn had received both chromosomes (X) from her, the offspring would of necessity have been female.

    Hence, something more must have been involved in the conception of Jesus. Just what this was the angel explained to Joseph: “That which has been begotten in her is by holy spirit.” (Matthew 1:20) We do not know precisely how this was done. Yet we must admit that if mere man can in a limited way manipulate the fertilization process in the laboratory, surely it is not beyond the power of the Creator and Life-Giver of the universe to do so and to transfer the life-force of his Son from the heavens to the ovum of a virgin girl.

    [Diagram on page 5]

    A female’s egg contains two X chromosomes. The male sperm cell has an X and a Y. Each parent provides one chromosome. If two X’s combine, a girl is produced. If an X and a Y, the child will be male.

    Laboratory-induced parthenogenesis causes a female egg to divide and grow, so the result (XX) must be a female.

    Such a type of parthenogenesis could not have occurred with Mary, for her firstborn (Jesus) was a male. Since she was a virgin, the Y chromosome must have been supplied miraculously, as the Bible indicates.

    w82 2/15 pp. 4-5 The Virgin Birth—Can You Believe It?

  • cptkirk
    cptkirk

    because black and white is all the WT knows.

  • MrFreeze
    MrFreeze

    I've thought this before too. The answer always boils down to "It is magic. God can do what he wants." That's the usual response to things like this.

  • rocketman
    rocketman

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2009/01/09/the-science-of-virgin-birth/

    Problems arise, as the article states, but science has manipulated the process. Those who believe in God obviously maintain that He could do the same, while overcoming the problems.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    Jesus could be a "perfect human" (whatever that means) from a so-called "imperfect human" if he is fiction.

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