For anyone unsure as to whether JW's are a cult..please read...

by lostinnj83 19 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • lostinnj83
    lostinnj83

    If the informaiton I am posting is redundant or has been posted, please forgive me.

    I know we are all at different stages of this journey. For me I am still "in" but working towards being out and leaving. Any one in this position or who has been here knows how diffucult of a time this can be. Our emotions are running on high. We don't know what to believe. We are unsure if we are making the right choice with wanting to investigate things for ourselves. We are doing so much research, we are on here, we are watching you tube videos, we are asking ourselves over and over if we are making the right decision? What if the JW's had it right? Where do I go from here? There are some really nice people in this organization, they can't possibly be a cult, can they? Have we really been lied to all this time?

    Check this list out for yourself and see how the JW compares. The list gives the criteria of a mind control/brainwashed/spiritually abusive environment.

    I came to the very harsh and sad realization that the JW's met each and every one of these criteria. See for yourself. I know for me it was truly heartbreaking, but maybe for you this is just the confirmation you need to walk away.

    In the book, Lifton outlines the "Eight Criteria for Thought Reform":

    Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: A Study of "Brainwashing" in China is a non-fiction book by psychiatrist Robert Jay Lifton on the psychology of brainwashing and mind control.

    1. Milieu Control . This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large.
    2. Mystical Manipulation . The manipulation of experiences that appears spontaneous but is, in fact, planned and orchestrated by the group or its leaders in order to demonstrate divine authority, spiritual advancement, or some exceptional talent or insight that sets the leader and/or group apart from humanity, and that allows reinterpretation of historical events, scripture, and other experiences. Coincidences and happenstance oddities are interpreted as omens or prophecies.
    3. Demand for Purity . The world is viewed as black and white and the members are constantly exhorted to conform to the ideology of the group and strive for perfection. The induction of guilt and/or shame is a powerful control device used here.
    4. Confession . Sins, as defined by the group, are to be confessed either to a personal monitor or publicly to the group. There is no confidentiality; members' "sins," "attitudes," and "faults" are discussed and exploited by the leaders.
    5. Sacred Science . The group's doctrine or ideology is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or dispute. Truth is not to be found outside the group. The leader, as the spokesperson for God or for all humanity, is likewise above criticism.
    6. Loading the Language . The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members' thought processes to conform to the group's way of thinking.
    7. Doctrine over person . Members' personal experiences are subordinated to the sacred science and any contrary experiences must be denied or reinterpreted to fit the ideology of the group.
    8. Dispensing of existence . The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious and they must be converted to the group's ideology. If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the members. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility. In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also. [3]
  • Fed-up
    Fed-up

    Its news to me. Thanks for posting! Keep bumping this one to the top!

  • Suraj Khan
    Suraj Khan

    And it's not even the CRAZIEST one. Can't the GB do anything right?

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Here's some other pointed questions in relation to whether the WTS/JWS operates as a mind controlling cult.

    By Rick Ross, Expert Consultant and Intervention Specialist

    Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.

    1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.

    2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.

    3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.

    4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.

    5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.

    6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.

    7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.

    8. Followers feel they can never be "good enough".

    9. The group/leader is always right.

    10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.

    Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.

    1. Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.

    2. Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.

    3. Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".

    4. Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.

    5. Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.

    6. Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.

    7. A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.

    8. Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.

    9. Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.

    10. Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.
  • lostinnj83
    lostinnj83

    Thanks for posting Finkelstein.

    The "BORG" matches up with ALL of those too!

  • flipper
    flipper

    LOSTINNJ83- Very good thread. Thanks for posting it ! As well as Robert Lifton's writings I highly recommend reading Steve Hassan's 3 books on cult mind control which includes situations involving Jehovah's Witnesses in the last 2 books. His books are : 1. " Combatting Cult Mind Control " 2. "Releasing the Bonds - Empowering People to Think for Themselves " and 3 . " Freedom of Mind - Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs ". These books really helped me to understand HOW the WT Society was able to control me through the years . It really gave me closure reading his books and continually motivates me to make other exiting JW's aware of how they've been controlled and manipulated. Give it a read ! I think you'll really enjoy it. Anybody here on the board. Peace out, mr. Flipper

  • Bella15
    Bella15

    @ Lostinjj83

    "I know for me it was truly heartbreaking,"

    Many have felt the same way you do ... I am glad your blindfold is off

  • sd-7
    sd-7

    When I first started studying Dr. Robert Jay Lifton's research, and really I only heard of it while reading Steve Hassan's book 'Combatting Cult Mind Control', I was just...stunned at how it all fit the JWs. It made me realize, they could have killed us all and we would have gladly gone over the cliff. It's a hurt that never fully heals for me.

    Long before I ever began to question my beliefs, I probably watched a TV movie or two about cults and I'd said to myself, if I ever found out I was in a cult, or if the JWs ever asked me to do anything crazy, I'd leave. Little did I know I'd actually be faced with that decision. I'm just glad I made the choice to leave. Once you know for a fact that they're doing this, you know you have to get out for your own safety.

    --sd-7

  • Quendi
    Quendi

    Thanks, LOSTINNJ83 ,for starting this thread and also to Finkelstein for his lists. Jehovah’s Witnesses certainly match all of the items. Reading them makes me marvel that I got out of this cult alive and grateful that I did. Reflecting on them has helped me understand why so many former friends and family members are still trapped. Thanks to flipper as well for the titles of Steve Hassan’s books. I definitely need to read them.

    Quendi

  • Tater-T
    Tater-T

    I found similar outlines.. just googling cult..

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