The Bible and Masturbation...4000 years of inspired input and no scriptures about it ?

by smiddy 34 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    It's interesting that some people have pointed to the Bible account of Onan as a statement against masturbation, whereas it obviously refers to his practicing "withdrawal" to avoid impregnating his wife -- but the Witnesses, to my knowledge, have never used that account as a basis for their anti-masturbation stance. This leaves them with nothing concrete in the Bible to point to, so they can only make assertions that masturbation can be a gateway to more sinful thoughts/actions.

    To be fair, most people today probably use porn as a masturbatory aid, and this can lead to more sexual thoughts because you are taking in lots of visual stimulation, and seeing things that you might otherwise not even have known existed! And the pleasure of viewing porn, like any pleasure, can be addictive. Whether masturbating leads to viewing porn, I don't know, but I think that for a young Witness, it's within the realm of possibility. He reasons with himself, "Well, I'm already sinning by touching it regularly, I might as well look at this arousing material while I'm sinning since I can't get any worse."

    But if you look at the simple reality that it's nearly impossible not to have these urges, and that sooner or later one will give in to them... Witness youths are being set up for a world of hurt. I suppose the youths, like Heartofaboy's nephew, who don't take this teaching seriously, are the lucky ones. But as someone who was trying to earnestly be a good Witness and follow everything he was taught, this issue nearly made me kill myself. I can't forgive a two-faced teaching like this being imposed on naive kids like myself who didn't know that the people who wrote it probably did the 'dirty deed' too! I honestly thought that I was the only person I knew with this problem. I'm actually somewhat surprised that I'm even alive to talk about this. Thank God I moved past the guilt a long time ago.

    P.S.: Like smiddy, I am genuinely curious to hear from some women on this (it doesn't need to be personal information, you can tell us what your female friends have told you). Was this a big problem for young sisters growing up? It's always seemed to me that it was more of a problem for guys... probably because the erections we experience lead to curiosity, and one thing leads to another.

  • 88JM
    88JM

    Apognophos - indeed they do not use the Onan account to support their argument - they actually address it in a footnote in the Young People Ask book, page 201. The footnote is in referance to their statement: "Masturbation is not mentioned at all in the Bible."

    leaving_quietly - I have far too much free time on my hands - I think I should be using it to masturbate rather than study.

  • mP
    mP

    I suppose if we are going to take morals from the OT, then raping and buying slaves are back in.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Isn't it nice to use and hold up the social moral behavioral stands of a civilization that existed 2000 years ago ?

    Then you could be killed for spilling your semen on the ground, children could be killed if they bring shame onto your parents,

    you be killed for working on Sunday...... the list goes on and on.

    On a modern realistic point of view, masturbation can become for some people habitual and a regrettable habit, particular for young people

    who are at the highest stage in their sexual awareness .

    They may need or seek some counseling from a certified psychologist that specifically deals with human sexuality behaviors.

  • jam
    jam

    The movie "Hysteria", set in victorian London. A physician

    who specializes in treating "hysteria" in women condition he

    cures by manually manipulate until they reach a orgasm. LOL

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Maybe the better way to approach or look at masturbation would be to say its OK if your having an overwhelming urge to

    release a bothersome amount of sexual tension.

    But do not let it became a regrettable habitual problem for each individual.

    Then problems could arise ( no pun intended)

    Thats having balanced realistic approach, held in empathy and compassion.

  • perfect1
    perfect1

    I think you should just do it until you cant anymore.

    Then take a break.

    rinse repeat.

    LOL

  • FreeGirl2006
    FreeGirl2006

    I love the part from the scanned pages how doctors and psychiatrists are imperfect and their views change....isn't that called "new light"?

  • Borges
    Borges

    We studied the Youthbook twice as a family when me and my brothers were young boys. Both times my Dad skipped the chapter with masturbation, saying that this is something to talk about when we are older. He never did it.

  • wolfman85
    wolfman85

    Well done for your dad

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