Paradigm Change

cofty

No I dont see humanism as a transition to a global spirituality.

The so-called new paradigm is about the same old irrational superstitions and fears that under-pin traditional religion but in a new guise.

The human species is only partially rational but we are getting there.

Phizzy

I certainly have observed in my lifetime a shift from people around me being believers to half-believers.

Most people I come in contact with only attend a Place of Worship for the usual hatching, matching and despatcing ceremonies, but most of them are half-believers in that they "feel" there is something "out there".

The problem with being a half-believer is the same as being a full-on beleiver, they think "god" will do something about global problems , so do not take their share of responsible action.

To have a proper rationalist, realistic Worldview is the ideal, you can then see things as they really are, and act appropriately.

Somebody who sees the World as it really is does not trust anything or anybody without proof, so to trust in any movement that purports to be tackling problems, and perhaps support them, we would need proof of their work and its value.

cantleave

The trouble is too many people still believe the myths and fairy tales of ancient books. They reject the scientific methods in favour of superstition and they fight for their idiotic beliefs. It time the world of humanity grew up and abandoned the folklore of ignorance and accepted reality.

cantleave

double post

bohm

congratulations, you managed to copy a table you found on the internet.

I know this is hard for you to grasp, but simply claiming the people you disagree with are going to turn the world into a totalitarian nightmare hardly qualify as anything else than fear-mongering rubbish.

I was going to say: "propaganda", but then i realized propaganda at least has the curtesy to try and convince its audience what it says is true; that can hardly be said about your latest attempt.

To conclude, I know you have made it your lifes mission to accept against evidence, reason and logic that fear-mongering totalitarian rubbish (aka your current religion) is true, but you properly need to rething that strategy if you want to convince people who are generally just interested in accepting what is true as true.

Have a nice day!

garyneal

I don't know, Perry, I use to hear the same stuff coming out of the mouth of my old Independent Fundamental Baptist preacher some 20 years ago. Well, at least him and Jack Van Impe. It use to scare me to death and make me want to try to be a better Christian which for an IFB meant attending all the church services and going out soul winning regularly. The downside is that it was never enough as every Sunday morning, Sunday night, or Wednesday night I would hear the pastor say yet something else was wrong with my life. Either because I was in college getting a 'secular education' or I was still living at home when I was 21 or because I would just get bored with the church and check out other churches (after hearing from the pulpit that only the IFB's had the right teachings).

Back then, we were expecting the New World Order TM to occur by the late 1990's and preparing for the millenia rein of Christ to occur during the 2000's. Look ma, its 2012 and no New World Order TM . The world is still spinning the same way much as it did 20 years ago. No Anti-Christ, unless you believe the conservative pundits who claim Obama is it. Back in the 1980's I was told that Ronald Reagan had the mark of the beast (the 666 which were the number of letters in his first, middle, and last names). Well, the beast is dead, unless that super computer in Belgium is the B.E.A.S.T. (which was also preached by that IFB preacher).

In short, why get scared of the turn of events whether real or imagined?

designs

Phizzy- 'hatching, matching, and dispatching' lol

garyneal- nice, you can always tell what Perry's been learning in Sunday School

metatron

Let's use some common sense here. There are points to be made on both sides.

The billionaire club at Davos will, in fact, discuss whether religion is relevant in the 21st century. It's on the schedule.

As to this global ethic, well duh... it's happening. How else does the US end up with a black president from Kenya/Indonesia/Hawaii with a sketchy Muslim past and admitted drug use?

OTOH, the internet is a corrosive influence on centralized power and control - which is why the UN and others are trying to slap controls on it. I believe Senator Rockefeller has expressed dismay over its very existence (hint, hint, Rockefeller). Obviously, as ex-Witnesses, we appreciate its anti-tyranny aspects !

Remember, the internet was invented by DARPA (the military) as Arpanet - a way for scientists to communicate in a decentralized context, perhaps after war had destroyed everything.

As to society becoming collective................... this is a sad, sore point with me. I'm libertarian by nature but I am compelled against my will to state that the future of humanity is going to be very collective. There's no way around it. Why?

Because jobs/mass employment is being done away with by technology. Fewer and fewer people are needed to create society's basic needs.

and again, OTOH, we're gonna get 3-D printers soon that roil everything ( and let us print guns, too)

God help us all if artificial intelligence emerges that can offer burgers and fries.

metatron

designs

Didn't they have the 3-D printers making real Scotch Whiskey on the USS Enterprise.

Old Paradigm Christianity	Transition Humanism	New Paradigm Globalism
Biblical Absolutes & Values	Relative Values	Global Absolutes & Values
God, the Creator of all things, is our Sovereign, Wise, Almighty and Eternal King.... Jesus, the Son, gave His Life to free us from guilt and judgment. He loves and guides us...He is the source of "Good"	God is a crutch or illusion	An impersonal universal god (pantheism) makes all things one (monism). All religions must be reformed and adapted as models for a new unifying global spirituality. A return to Pre-Flood Paganism
Emphasizes oneness & unity in Christ (doesn't include the Cults)	Emphasizes human self-sufficiency	Emphasizes the collective: Individuals have value according to their contribution to the "Greater Whole"
Teaches internal, moral, personal responsibility toward God & neighbor	Teaches external human rights	Teaches collective duties or responsibilities
Don't tolerate sin (but love sinners)	Tolerate all lifestyles	Don't tolerate dissenters (zero tolerance, dissenters are dealt with harshly)
Trust God	Trust human reason	Trust the rising global (foreign) establishment

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