Judgment of sheep and goats is future but we are now living in the hour of judgment??

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  • yadda yadda 2
    yadda yadda 2

    Matt 24:29-31: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds,from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.

    Matt 25:31-46: "When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. . . . And these will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life."

    BOTH of the above passages of scripture have future fulfilments, says the Watchtower Society. Yet JW's are told that we are presently in the "Lord's day" and presently experiencing the "hour of judgment" (Rev 1:10; 14; 6,7).

    'The Hour of the Judgment Has Arrived'!

    14 As we keep on the watch, what can we expect? The book of Revelation outlines progressive steps in the fulfillment of God's purpose. Acting on what it says is vital if we are to prove ourselves ready. The prophecy vividly describes events that would occur in "the Lord's day," which began when Christ was enthroned in heaven in 1914. (Revelation 1:10) Revelation alerts us to an angel who has been entrusted with "everlasting good news to declare." He proclaims in a loud voice: "Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived." (Revelation 14:6, 7) That "hour" of judgment is a brief period; it includes both the pronouncement and the execution of the judgments that are depicted in that prophecy. We are now living in that period." - (Watchtower 2005 10/1 pp. 21-25)

    How can it be that we are "now living" in the "hour of the judgment" and are in the "Lord's Day" when Jesus has not yet sat on his judgment throne and is not yet separating the sheep from the goats?

    The "Old Light"

    You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth, 1982, p 183, states: "since Christ returned and sat down on his heavenly throne, all humankind has been on judgment... During the present judgment people are being separated as 'goats' to Christ's left hand or as 'sheep' to his right." (emphasis added)

    The WT of Jan. 1, 1988, p 16, confirmed this: "Yes, all mankind is being scrutinized to see who are 'sheep' and who are 'goats.'... the messages are broadcast by human mouthpieces under angelic direction. A person is identified as a 'sheep' or as a 'goat' by the way he responds to the angelic messages. During this 20 th century, only Jehovah's Witnesses have cooperated with the angels in this vital work." (emphasis added)

    The "New Light" in 1995

    In the Watchtower of Oct 15, 1995, the Watchtower Society suddenly announced the rejection of this long-standing doctrine regarding the present separating work, teaching instead a future judgment: "Does this parable apply when Jesus sat down in kingly power in 1914, as we have long understood?" The Watchtower says No: "the rendering of judgment on the sheep and the goats is future. It will take place after 'the tribulation ... breaks out and the Son of man 'arrives in his glory.'" (emphasis added)

    "Understanding the parable of the sheep and the goats in this way indicates that the rendering of judgment on the sheep and goats is future. It will take place after 'the tribulation' mentioned in Matthew 24:29-30 breaks out and the Son of man 'arrives in glory'" (The Watchtower, Oct. 15, 1995, pg. 23).

    So, according to current Watchtower teaching, we are now living in the "hour of the judgment", but the "rendering of judgment on the sheep and goats is future".

    Confused? Obviously the Watchtower Society is.


  • wasblind

    Hello Yadda

    The WTS not only claim to see the signs of the times but,

    they claim to know the exact time when all this stuff was set in place

    they also claim that Bible chronology pinpoint the exact time

    Even though Jesus warned them to " Keep on the Watch " because they do not know

    when the Master is comin'

    Jesus told folk time and time again nobody knows, but the Jehovah's witnesses

    go around knockin' on doors trynna convince folk that they know somethin'

    that Jesus don't

    One of the greatest examples of the WTS stupidity is found on page 97

    in the Reasoning book where they have a chart that calculates the seven times

    and tellin' folks exactly who would be the ones to see the end

    And then at the bottom of the page they qoute Jesus sayin' that

    nobody knows not even him , only the Father

    Question: WTF ???????????


  • wasblind

    Jehovah Witness got a nerve goin' D2D thinkin' they separatin' folk

    The WTS don't know the difference between a sheeps head or the ass of a goat

    let alone separate the two

  • Pams girl
    Pams girl

    Sounds like an awesome stew Wuz! Few herbs and some potoatos, and I will be in "Heaven"

  • wasblind

    LOL Paula

  • RubaDub
    The WTS don't know the difference between a sheeps head or the ass of a goat

    Sounds like something that Ezekiel might have seen in vision ... "and I beheld and look, it had what appeared as the head of a sheep and the ass of a goat as it moved about."

    Rub a Dub

  • wasblind

    " and I beheld and look, it had what appeared to be as the head of a sheep and the ass of a goat as it moved about"_____RubaDub

    Wow RubaDub,

    that describes the Governing Body to a tee

  • yadda yadda 2
    yadda yadda 2

    bttt. No more comments on this apparent glaring contradiction?

  • blondie


    *** w97 7/1 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers ***

    Questions From Readers

    We were thrilled with our study of Jesus’ parable of the sheep and the goats. In view of the new understanding presented in “The Watchtower” of October 15, 1995, can we still say that Jehovah’s Witnesses today are sharing in a separating work?

    Yes. Understandably, many have wondered about this because Matthew 25:31, 32 says: “When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.” The Watchtower of October 15, 1995, showed why these verses apply after the great tribulation begins. Jesus will arrive in his glory with his angels and will sit on his judgment throne. Then, he will separate people. In what sense? He will render decisions based on what people did or did not do before that time.We can compare this to the development of a legal process leading up to a court case. The evidence builds up over an extended period before the court rules and hands down a sentence. The evidence as to whether people now alive will turn out to be sheep or goats has been accumulating for a long time. And it is still coming in. But when Jesus sits on his throne, the case will be complete. He will be ready to render judgment. People will be separated either to everlasting cutting-off or to everlasting life.However, the fact that the separation of people to life(NOTE: not a probationary period) or to death mentioned at Matthew 25:32 is yet future does not mean that no separating, or dividing, occurs before that. The Bible, in Matthew chapter 13, mentions one separation work that occurs earlier. Interestingly, the book United in Worship of the Only True God, pages 179-80, treats this under the heading “Separating of People”. The book says: “There are also other significant events that Jesus prominently associated with the conclusion of the system of things. One of these is the separation of the ‘sons of the kingdom’ from the ‘sons of the wicked one.’ Jesus spoke of this in his parable about a wheat field that an enemy oversowed with weeds.”

    The book was referring to Jesus’ illustration set out at Matthew 13:24-30 and explained in verses 36-43. Note in verse 38 that the fine seeds of wheat represent the sons of the Kingdom, but the weeds stand for the sons of the wicked one. Verses 39 and 40 show that in the ‘conclusion of the system of things’—during the time in which we now live—the weeds are collected. They are separated out and finally burned, destroyed.

    The illustration deals with anointed Christians (who in the parable of the sheep and the goats are called Jesus’ brothers). Still, the point is clear that a vital separation does occur during our time, with the anointed being distinguished from those who profess to be Christians but who prove themselves to be “sons of the wicked one.”

    Jesus provided other examples of people being divided, or separated. Recall that he said concerning the broad road that leads to destruction: “Many are the ones going in through it.” (Matthew 7:13) That was not a comment just about the final outcome. It was a comment about an ongoing development, just as is true now of the few finding the cramped road leading off into life. Recall, too, that when sending out the apostles, Jesus said that they would find some who would be deserving. Others would not be deserving, and the apostles were to shake the dust off their feet “for a witness against” such people. (Luke 9:5) Is it not true that something similar happens as Christians carry on their public ministry today? Some respond well, whereas others reject the divine message that we are bringing.

    The articles in The Watchtower dealing with the sheep and the goats noted: “While the judging as described in the parable is in the near future, even now something vital is taking place. We Christians are engaged in a lifesaving work of proclaiming a message that causes a division among people. (Matthew 10:32-39).” In that passage in Matthew chapter 10, we read that Jesus said that following him would be a cause for division—father against son, daughter against mother.

    Finally, Christ’s spirit-anointed brothers have spearheaded the worldwide preaching of the Kingdom message. As people hear it and react favorably or unfavorably, they are identifying themselves. We humans cannot, and we should not, say, ‘This person is a sheep; that one a goat,’ in the sense conveyed in Matthew chapter 25. Still, our exposing people to the good news allows them to show where they stand—what they are and how they react to Jesus’ brothers. Hence, like mounting evidence for a court case, the division between those who support Jesus’ brothers and those who refuse to support them is becoming evident. (Malachi 3:18) As The Watchtower showed, Jesus will soon sit on his throne and pronounce sentence, people being judicially separated in a final sense to life or to cutting-off.
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