Something occurred to me…

by Vidiot 18 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    The Conti case is a game-changer; that much is certain.

    It’s also pretty certain (to a lot of us at JWN, anyway) that the WTS:

    · believes they have the moral high ground and thusly are in the right...

    · aren’t going to significantly change their child abuse-related policies any time soon...

    · don’t really think they’ll actually lose their appeal.

    It should be obvious to anyone by now that one of the most significant and unavoidable characteristics of hierarchal, authoritarian religions (no matter what faith template they subscribe to) is a deeply entrenched problem of sexual victimization, especially of children and young people. The WTS is just one example.

    Prior to the internet, these groups and others like them were able to keep this sordid aspect about themselves quiet, but that’s become virtually impossible in the developed world of 21st Century. The reason is that the most effective means of insulating themselves against exposure and/or legal consequences (besides wealth) have been these various groups’ close connections with political authorities and the agencies affiliated with them.

    We sometimes forget this, but for centuries, powerful individuals and governments have had the ability to make the problems of well-connected churches disappear without too much effort. However, unlike the majority of other authoritarian religions, the WTS does not have that avenue, largely due to their official disdain for "worldy" things in general, and particularly the socio-political landscape...

    ...they have done nothing to cultivate "friends in high places".

    Why is this significant?

    There's a possibility we may have not considered before.

    As the Information Age increasingly and inexorably "lifts the veil" over authoritarian religion’s dirtiest secrets, the general public’s disgust and outrage at each new publicised scandal is becoming quite palpable. As a result, more and more private citizens, public figures, activist groups, and even (apparently) cyber-vigilantes are finding a common cause to rally behind, either officially or otherwise.

    We’re used to thinking of lawyers and courts in fairly cynical and negative terms, but the fact is, our modern justice system (however flawed) can - and indeed, has been - a force for Good on many occasions. And whether anyone wants to admit it or not, the court of public opinion has always had an influence on the actions and decisions of the court of Law.

    People are getting fed up to their back teeth with the sexual victimization of children and young people, and they are getting even more pissed at institutions that have (passively or otherwise) shielded them from justice while failing to protect the victims.

    Historically, when a sea change in the collective feelings of a population comes to a head over a particularly deplorable injustice, something significant has been known to happen; the courts and the Law have met the public’s needs in an admittedly ruthless but nonetheless effective manner...

    ...by making an example of someone.

    Often, it’s an individual or group who has already alienated virtually everyone around them, who has a history of either passive or active disdain for aspects of the Law, who is genuinely guilty of the claims brought against them (not a scapegoat), and/or has very few or no influential friends inclined to intervene on their behalf.

    One could argue that if the WTS insists on staying the course and fighting rather than submit to the Law (and, frankly, perfectly reasonable public expectations regarding their policies), the US courts - and for that matter, the rest of the developed world - may just have a unique and, frankly, convenient opportunity to mollify an increasingly outraged public, and set a hard precedent for dealing with similar situations.

    Very few individuals will feel inclined to sympathise with the WTS; they’ve used the resources of the nations they dwell in whilst giving relatively little back, they have a history of publicly demonizing the wider world around them (including government, and - by extension - the courts), and they’ve effectively created a small army of dedicated and lifelong enemies due to their egregious mishandling of child abuse and hard-line shunning policies.

    More importantly (to this argument), the WTS has done virtually nothing to garner influential friends or allies in useful positions of authority. Therefore, no one of significance in the legal - and more importantly - political arena would suffer any collateral damage if the WTS were knocked down a few pegs.

    By that logic, the Justice System has virtually nothing to lose and a great deal to gain by smacking them, hard, and making sure they stay smacked.

    Never underestimate the effectiveness of a well-deserved and public "object lesson".

    Thoughts?

  • flipper
    flipper

    VIDIOT- Very well written and thought out thread ! In time if more and more child sexual abuse lawsuits come out in regards to the WT society's negligence it may start snowballing but remember one thing in dealing with the WT society it is an organization of 7 million members worldwide as compared to the Catholic religion who retains gazillions of members worldwide. It's a case of the mainstream media grabbing a hold of a bigger fish in the ocean ( as they did with the Catholic church child abuse scandal ) and a little ocean perch ( Jehovah's Witnesses ) swimming around . The JW injustices just don't garnish the huge news or attention that organizations like the Catholic church do.

    However- Warren Jeffs of an offshoot of the Mormon cult got arrested, was sentenced and tried for essentially keeping minor girls imprisoned and forcing them to marry adult Mormon men and it got some passing attention in the media. The thing about JW's, Mormons - organizations like these - it would need to be an ongoing child abuse problem of MANY different cases getting exposed in the media month by month to keep people alerted about it. The Candace Coni case was groundbreaking in that it got more media exposure than ANY WT child abuse case had before - but it will require many more of these to keep it fresh in the publics minds in order to keep them aware. Same with the Mormon cases.

    Bottom line is that religions in America tend to get away with bloody murder, rape of children all under the disguise of being a religion when in truth many of them are manipulative money grubbing mind control think tanks. Until American media wakes up to that fact- most organized religions will get passes on murder, child abuse , and money laundering. The right wing Republican political agenda is chalk full of green hand shakes being given them by religious political support . Perhaps not the WT society, so it may be one reason politicians just don't care what the WT society does or does not do- politicians rap no benefit from them as you stated

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    Mmmmmm......

    One can only hope.

  • braincleaned
    braincleaned

    Vidiot - I find this thought reasonable. Contrary to the Mormons, the WTS does not (at least openly) have any friends in the political arena. So yes, I think you make a good point. They may very well be set as an example - and their appeal would indeed need a miracle for it not to engage more complaints, and serious media based exposure to the world.

    It's their game - they had ample time to rectify their view of the 2-witness rule, their reticence to go strait to the law, plus warn the community of a predator and outright hiding of such sex-offender presence in the congregation. Plus, their total obliviousness to the fact that any internal letter would make it to the net makes them guilty of criminal foolishness that they will pay for.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot
    flipper - "...religions in America tend to get away with bloody murder, rape of children all under the disguise of being a religion when in truth many of them are manipulative money grubbing mind control think tanks. Until American media wakes up to that fact, most organized religions will get passes on murder, child abuse, and money laundering."

    That's probably true... for well-connected authoritarian religions.

    However, how often do you hear about sex scandals, criminal investigations, and coverups ocurring in churches that embrace financial transparency, the diplomatic process, respect for science and the Law, and possess a reputation for positive community activism?

    flipper - "It's a case of the mainstream media grabbing a hold of a bigger fish in the ocean (as they did with the Catholic church child abuse scandal) and a little ocean perch (Jehovah's Witnesses) swimming around."

    You're right, the RCC is a whale (and definately no pinnacle of morality), and the WTS is, by comparison, a perch.

    A campaign against the RCC certainly won't topple it, particularly due to its wealth, influence, and internal power structure... but also because it is sincerely beloved by a significant percentage of its membership, and (arguably more importantly) it has an official policy of treating its peers with a measure of respect and dignity, which is largely reciprocated. Most importantly, policy changes are being implemented. Ratzenberger's scariness notwithstanding, the RCC probably won't need to be made an example of.

    The WTS, on the other hand...

    flipper - "In time if more and more child sexual abuse lawsuits come out in regards to the WT society's negligence it may start snowballing..."
    flipper - "...it would need to be an ongoing child abuse problem of MANY different cases getting exposed in the media month by month to keep people alerted about it.

    I agree. Isn't that the way the wind seems to be blowing, though?

    Sooner or later, the collective public will likely want - perhaps even need - to see an object lesson made with regards to the deeply entrenched problem of institutionalized sexual abuse. It woudn't be too hard for interested parties to increasingly steer public conciousness in that direction, even if for purely cynical purposes (like media headlines, distracting them from more pressing issues, or scoring political points with activist groups, for example).

    Hardly anyone in the real world likes the WTS, has any vested interest in their survival, or would feel sorry for them of they received a sound ass-whuppin'.

    In many respects, they're the ideal candidate, aren't they?

  • flipper
    flipper

    VIDIOT- Indeed, the WT Society could be a real candidate to be made an example of if we can get enough of the media to care in multiple ongoing investigations. I found it amazing just how big the Joe Paterno at Penn State story got regarding him not reporting child abuse from one of his coaches. I'm glad it got the media exposure it did as hopefully it will emphasize to colleges, institutions, and organizations everywhere that they can't allow child abuse to happen without repercussions.

    So if more and more cases come out regarding the WT society and it's given publicity - sure I think it would really expose the WT society big time. Just as it did for a month or two in the Candace Conti thing. But it needs to be an ongoing story at least to keep the American public's attention. The U.S. has a very short attention span unfortunately

  • Quendi
    Quendi

    This is an interesting thread and both Vidiot and flipper have made some good points. I think that it will take a “dragnet” to bring the WTS sex scandals to light and action taken. By that I mean that action would have to be taken against religion as an institution to arouse the kind of public outrage that would lead to serious consequences. The WTS crimes would have to be seen as part of a larger problem facing the country rather than one confined to its ranks alone.

    One very important point to keep in mind is how the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is interpreted and applied when it comes to religion. Both have undergone significant changes since the First Amendment was adopted back in 1789 and as American society has become more secularized. This explains the reluctance of authorities to get involved in these cases before because of fear of violating the freedom of religion clause. It is clear that the WTS, by claiming penitent/spiritual advisor privilege in pedophilia situations, is counting on that reluctance to exonerate it in the Conti case and any others which may ultimately be heard by the Supreme Court of the United States.

    The WTS is appealing the Conti verdict in the hope of getting a reversal from SCOTUS. However, the Society is taking a big risk. SCOTUS may well refuse to hear its appeals and simply let the judgment of lower courts stand. Or it may take the case and uphold those earlier findings. Obviously, the WTS is hoping otherwise, and I have the feeling that other religious organizations are watching this case very carefully because a SCOTUS ruling will have repercussions for many.

    Quendi

  • panhandlegirl
    panhandlegirl

    This explains the reluctance of authorities to get involved in these cases before because of fear of violating the freedom of religion clause. It is clear that the WTS, by claiming penitent/spiritual advisor privilege in pedophilia situations,

    Quendi, don't you think that breaking a law by requiring two witness to a child abuse crime, would trump freedom of religion. A religion should not be allowed to break the law and put children in harm's way. The authorites have taken children away from jw parents in order for them to receive blood transfusions. I would hope that SCOTUS would take the absurdity of this "two witnesses" requirement into consideration.

    Vidiot, this is an excellent thread.

    PHG.

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    Vidiot, that was a great post. I think that the Watchtower is a designed missle aimed at destroying the free world. I don't think it was designed for the long haul or otherwise they WOULD have sought out powerful friends like you say. What they do is make freedom of religion and free speech look bad on a world scale (they could have Al Qaeda links or other anti-free speach/religion extremist groups). They want religion to be under attack because it solidifies the programming in their members giving them immense power. The best thing that could happen to the Watchtower is for them to made an "example of" because they have been saying it will happen for so long, all their members are waiting to be put in concentration camps so they won't care what happens. The Watchtower, imo, have been purposefuly allowing and perpetuating atrocities within their ranks and are inching towards a preplanned directive. The Western World needs to band together and redefine religion and then do away with any who don't make the cut.

    -Sab

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Vid,

    I think you can feel the pulse of the collective psyche on this one. Never a striaght line but on the average moving in that direction as we collectively become more conscious of our ever expanding world.

    Thanks for sharing and throwing this out there in cyberspace.

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