The Implosion of Mitt Romney's Candidacy: Part I (page 5)

rather be in hades

there's nothing to argue. i find his opinion weak and his facts lacking and that's putting it nicely.

i listened to fox news all the time throguh the republican primaries and i find his revisionist history hilarious.

nothing i say or point out will ever convince you. if you can look at the entire context of the "you didn't build that" speech and still come to the conclusions you came to there's nothing to be done.

but going back to a previous conversation:

is it wise to get all of your info from one side without considering the other side's with an open mind?
is it wise to put trust in sources who continuously twist meanings, take out of context, and flat out lie?

botchtowersociety

there's nothing to argue. i find his opinion weak and his facts lacking and that's putting it nicely.

That's a cop out. You provide no explanation.

nothing i say or point out will ever convince you.

Why are you trying so hard to convince me?

if you can look at the entire context of the "you didn't build that" speech and still come to the conclusions you came to there's nothing to be done.

Here, I can play that game too. "If you look at this President's record and cannot be convinced, then there is nothing to be done."

but going back to a previous conversation:

is it wise to get all of your info from one side without considering the other side's with an open mind?
is it wise to put trust in sources who continuously twist meanings, take out of context, and flat out lie?

So you basically accuse me of not thinking for myself, of being a liar and of being one sided in information gathering. Nice. Maybe you think you are a mind reader?

rather be in hades

didn't accuse you of that, just your sources.

there's this thing called context that i like to look at.

the president's record in the scope of everything he has to contend with and why he has to contend with them.

the quote in the context of the speech. the quote in the context of all of his actions, his record so to speak.

and i'm not trying to convince yo of anything. that's why i'm not interested in going line by line with everything i see wrong with the article. as i mentioned before, when you post up links, i look at them before formulating my opinion of your posts.that's how i found out that the author is a republican media guy (his words not mine). that's also how i was able to see what the article trends were and i've yet to investigate "the msm must be destroyed. here's how" but i'm sure it's entertaining and might be a decent read. i read the article, i disaree with it. i disagree with it in context and out

Resistance is Futile

Right... American's are not entitled to health care, food, or housing. This may be the last nail in his coffin. Health care, food, and housing are basic human needs.

In defense of Romney's statements you need to realize that he was addressing a crowd of very wealthy supporters who don't have to worry about health care, food, and housing needs. As Romney has said before, he's not concerned about the very poor. Romney is a champion for the producers, not the parasites. Romney will never be able to convince these moochers to take personal responsibility and care for their lives.

botchtowersociety

didn't accuse you of that, just your sources.

Yes you did. You imply I buy into lies without thinking, and do not seek information from a variety of viewpoints.

and i'm not trying to convince yo of anything.

Then why mention how you will never convince me? This is not the first time you've said that.

but i'm sure it's entertaining and might be a decent read. i read the article, i disaree with it. i disagree with it in context and out

But you don't say why.

Christ Alone

Romney is a champion for the producers, not the parasites.

Exactly. Yet, health, food, and house is a basic human need that any advanced civilization will make sure that it's people have. And you are right too that the rich turn up their noses at people that need help with these things.

But notice that you are twisting it and calling people that need government aid at some point in their life "parasites" and "moochers". This is the attitude of Romney and the ultra wealthy.

However, if you've ever taken a sociology or psychology class, there are MANY reasons why people end up homeless or need government aid. Not all of them (nor even the majority) get into that situation because of gross neglect. Some stumbled onto some bad luck. A lost job, not able to find another, and no family to help. Some have mental disorders that have not and could not (due to health insurance issues) be dealt with. Some DID make bad decisions, but want help so that they again can become a productive member of society.

Here is deal. The ultra rich tend to vilify the poor. Even some in the middle class need help at one time or another to get on their feet. When I lost my job a few years back, I ended up needing food stamps. I hated it. And I wanted to get off of them as soon as possible. But for the time, it was a necessity.

I understand that Romney was talking to a group of wealthy individuals. But what is so damming for him is that it shows his feelings towards those that need government aid and are not wealthy. It shows that he is an unkind judgemental religious leader that is so completely out of touch with the general American population that he could never understand the needs of those that are not like him.

Like I said, Romney will not be president. He's made a fool of himself in so many cases. His flip flopping is a joke. And while many people don't like Obama either, I think most will feel that he is a better of the two evils.

rather be in hades

i said:

is it wise to get all of your info from one side without considering the other side's with an open mind?

is it wise to put trust in sources who continuously twist meanings, take out of context, and flat out lie?

not accusing you of flat ot lying, if yo believe it you do. but you're sources i do think are twisting words and flat out lying.

there's a difference between discussing and convinvcing. if i were going to try and convince you i'd have to pick apart everything i disagreed with, and then explain why with supporting evidence that comes from relatively unbiased sources. i'm not going to argue it, i'm not going to try to convince you of anything about it

botchtowersociety

not accusing you of flat ot lying, if yo believe it you do.

Yeah you did.

i'm not going to argue it, i'm not going to try to convince you of anything about it

I guess that demonstrates the strength of your unexpressed argument.

We can talk about supposed gaffes and fake campaign crackups all day, but the fact of the matter is this: the government is on the path to bankruptcy, the economy is in the shitter, the average American is getting poorer, and the Middle East is in flames. None of this looks good for the Presidential incumbent, and it matters.

King Solomon

BTS said:

We can talk about supposed gaffes and fake campaign crackups all day, but the fact of the matter is this: the government is on the path to bankruptcy, the economy is in the shitter, the average American is poorer, and the Middle East is in flames. None of this looks good for the Presidential incumbent, and it matters.

You think the average American citizen understands that, and accepts that we've already entered into a period marked by the decline of American World dominance? Most people feel just fine.

Methinks you're expecting others to share your "Armageddon is coming!" mind-set, when most people still want their cake and eat it, too, whether it's the upper-class or middle-class.

We're going into that iceberg and there will be survivors and casualties, so arguing over who gets to steer the Titanic is kind of a moot point...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

botchtowersociety

Methinks you're expecting others to share your "Armageddon is coming!" mind-set, when most people still want their cake and eat it, too, whether it's the upper-class or middle-class.

Verily, thou doth think too much.

We're going into that iceberg and there will be survivors and casualties, so arguing over who gets to steer the Titanic is kind of a moot point

Who is it that has the Armageddon mind-set again?

How old are you, KS?

The Implosion of Mitt Romney's Candidacy: Part I

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