Restrictions On JW Members: What Are They??

by Cold Steel 39 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    Can someone please explain the rules and regulations JWs are expected to abide by as it pertains to the outside world? For example, if a JW wanted to debate his religion on a site like this, can he/she do so without fear of reprisal from the church?

    And for those who have Cable or Satellite television, what are their restrictions? Can they watch Fox News or CNN? What movies are acceptable? Can JWs visit other churches or read publications that aren’t published by the WBTS? And can they have friends outside of the church?

    When I took their Bible study, they gave me a small book and we would read a chapter that pushed a certain doctrine; then they would ask baited questions to ensure one’s agreement. One of these doctrines was the state of the dead. Not only did I not agree with it, I had written an article about it several years ago. I was surprised to discover not only that they couldn’t answer some of my objections, each JW refused to take or read my article. Instead, they brought an “elder” to our next meeting and he was arrogant and combative. When I asked if we could just move on, he reluctantly agreed and I just started answering the questions the way the book wanted me to answer them. I figured I could talk to the other two fellows on the following week without it turning into a chest poking situation. Despite the fact that I answered the questions correctly, the two JWs shook hands with me at the end of our meeting and then never came back and never called!

    I know that one of the negative aspects of modern “cults” is to cut members off from the outside world. If they’re not permitted to visit other churches, they won’t be able to see many of their doctrines from another viewpoint. And if they are forced to use their own Bible translations, they won’t see that their own translation is not up to par. And finally, if they can’t socialize with anyone outside of their faith, they won’t be able to be tempted to visit their churches or places of learning. Someone told me that the JWs discourage higher education. Is this true? And how can the leadership prohibit someone from having a beard? Aren't they supposed to just interpret the scriptures and not write new ones?

    I’ve learned a lot about cults by researching the FLDS church in southern Utah. The members are physically cut off from the outside world by gates and walls, and members are forbidden to read any religious publications not published by them. They are forbidden to listen to outside news sources or peruse the news and other magazines when they go into town to shop. And their “prophet” Warren Jeffs is the last word on everything. He can assign wives to other men or banish a man and give all of his wives and children to other men in the community, and the wives and children sustain Jeffs and refuse to speak to their own husbands or children. If you give any of the members a religious tract or article from a national news publication, it goes right in the trash.

    Not everyone can force their members into such communities, but I’m troubled by the similarities I’m seeing between the JWs and some of these outside cults.

    So how far do these restrictions go?

    Thanks for any feedback!

  • nugget
    nugget

    Rule 1 you are forbidden to read and post on sites such as this one. You can be disfellowshipped for expressing negative opinions about the society on sites such as this or for engaging in debates with those classed as apostates. (this is from personal experience)

    Rule 2 You are told that R rated movies or even children's movies with a strong fantasy, magic theme are not for christians. Programes deemed adult viewing are not for christians, sports games or other tv programes which promote nationalistic feelings are not for christians. It is better not to have a TV at all and if you do have one always ask yourself "if Jesus was in the room would I be watching this?"

    Whilst they do not put members into physical compounds, their doctrines serve to isolate members by excluding them from normal social interactions with people outside the religion. This makes JWs socially awkward and often the only place they find acceptance is within the congregation. They are also taught to be suspicious of anyone who does not share their beliefs doubting their motives and mistrusting any offers of friendship. Although they have to go to work and school they are told not told put work ahead of religious commitments and they are encouraged to limit education to the minimum required by law.

    They are told that all the information they need can be found within the pages of the watchtower literature. They are not allowed to read religious literature published by other groups or scholars who are not JWs. They cannot process negative views of their faith and will arrogantly dismiss any opion that does not conform with their world view.

    They are in a high control group and demonstrate the behaviours associated with cults.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Can someone please explain the rules and regulations JWs are expected to abide by as it pertains to the outside world? For example, if a JW wanted to debate his religion on a site like this, can he/she do so without fear of reprisal from the church?

    And for those who have Cable or Satellite television, what are their restrictions? Can they watch Fox News or CNN? What movies are acceptable? Can JWs visit other churches or read publications that aren’t published by the WBTS? And can they have friends outside of the church?

    You do realize that there are written and unwritten rules, some applied in some congregations by the elders and not in others, and some that could have a jw separated formally from the organization if they are not "repentant" as judged by the elders on the judicial committee in their congregation?

    It would take most witnesses days to explain the rules and how they apply in the above categories.\

    1) Debate religion here would mean associating with "apostates," which if determined by proof by 2 separate jws given to the elders, lacking repentance, could lead to being disfellowshipped.

    2) The WTS makes recommendations about "dangers" of watching any television. You can watch any news channels you want just don't watch pornography. If prove formally that a jw has watched porn, they can lose "privileges" such as being a ministerial servant, elder, pioneer, or handling stage/sound/or other assisting duties.

    3) The WTS gives "principles" in choosing movies. In writing they avoid naming specific movies (at least now) and rating systems vary between countries. At one time the WTS privately to the elders, told them they could be removed as elders if it was known they watched R-rated movies, I have never seen it applied.

    4) It is considered a personal choice to attend funerals/weddings of family members held in churches as long as another jw is not "stumbled" but this is just window dressing, it is not automatic that they would be disfellowshipped, but they be warned and refusing to listen to the warning could lead to stronger approaches.

    5) jws can read non-jw publications...just not ex-jw or "apostate" material. Proving they have might be difficult.

    6) jws can associate with non-jws, how else could they work with them, go to school with them, and have dealings with non-jw relatives? But socially, they are cautioned to be careful. But they are not punished unless they associate with jws, friends or family, who are now in the disfellowshiped status.

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    he was arrogant and combative

    Translation .... He knew he was losing control of the direction of the topic, didn't like where you were taking it, and he didn't want the two young ones to see that, so he resorted to bullying.

    Jws are allowed beards in some countries. It is about not looking scruffy to your community.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    CS: Can someone please explain the rules and regulations JWs are expected to abide by as it pertains to the outside world?

    In practice rather than theory, I would say a JW is most concerned not to be caught by another Witness doing something they shouldn't. So even if it is on the forbidden list but there's little chance of being caught, they may do it.

    • No saluting the flag.
    • No celebration of secular or religious holidays.
    • No dinner at someone's home who is not a Witness.
    • No dating someone who is not a Witness.
    • No talking to the disfellowshipped (apostate). Hence, should not be on a forum like this.
    • Do not set up a website regarding the Jehovah's Witnesses.
    • In descending order of restriction, I would say movies with spiritism (Harry Potter is OUT), porn, and violence are out.
    • I think JW's eat up current news. It reconfirms their faith in a doomed world.
    • Can't attend other churches. Technically it is a "conscience matter" to attend weddings and funerals, but even if they do, they get "cooties" from the sight of graven images or *gasp*, a cross.
    • The reading of "too many books" is discouraged, but I don't think there is an explicit restriction. Regarding bible research a Witness is expected to trust the Watchtower publications and not "run ahead" of the organization. If a Witness were to engage in extra-biblical study, they would likey be viewed as having a swelled head.

    CS: Someone told me that the JWs discourage higher education. Is this true?

    Absolutely. I've seen presentations from the platform and articles in the magazine. Those who pursue higher education (beyond a trade certificate, for instance), is viewed as "materialistic". The dangers of exposure to immorality and drugs is emphasized, and young people are encouraged to pioneer instead.

    CS: How do they keep a man from growing a beard?

    By gently bringing it to his attention and if that doesn't work, reduce his priveleges.

    I don't think the isolation and control is as extreme as the example you provided, but it is definitely there.

    Steve Hassan advises not to point out hypocricy to a Witness. To do so drives them further in to the cult mindset. The more they behave outside the presecribed code of behavior, the closer to the real selves they become.

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    Thanks, all. The replies have been most illuminating. If a person truly believes in the religion, they would most likely live by the rules without having them enforced. Another question I have is: I've been told that JWs are discouraged from taking vacations and expected to turn them into service for the church. I've always considered that extreme -- too extreme to give it any credance -- but now I'm not too sure. Is this true?

    A separate consideration is the question of being resurrected. A member who throws all these rules into the trash can and does as he wishes, reads and watches what he wishes, associates with those whom he wishes and attends meetings as he sees fit -- a member who does all these things will still be resurrected if he buys into the JW theology, correct? Since all people, male and female, will be resurrected eventually, won't their loyalty and convictions will be judged in that day? Even non-members can make good in that day, too, if they choose, and choose to support Jehovah. In other words, if I'm a member (and I'm not), and I live a decent, moral, truthful life, buy in to all of the doctrines, give my allegiance to Jehovah -- won't my resurrection be permanent? I mean, Jehovah isn't going to nail someone just for not obeying the rules is he?

    It's not like someone's going to say, "Did you hear about Brother Jones? He got his resurrection rescended because he read some literature some Mormons gave him back in 1972. Yep, he was there one minute and *poof* -- he was gone the next! I also understand he visited a Seventh Day Adventist church a friend invited him to attend in 1978." Right?

    Anyway, I understand there's some loopholes for non-believers in the day of resurrection. When I asked some JWs about what happened to those who had never heard of Christ -- never had an opportunity to accept the Gospel -- they said it depends on what they do when they're resurrected. In other words, which side they choose when Armegeddon comes. If that's true, then the rules won't have any lasting relevance.

    And last question: when an elder is selected, if he ordained to that office. And by ordained I mean, do they put hands on his head and ordain him an elder in the name of Jesus Christ? Or does he just get a certificate and letter in the mail?

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    As far as reading your article, JW's are 'counseled' not to accept competing literature. For instance, if I came to your door and offered you a bible tract, I want you to take it. But if you offered ME a bible tract, then I wasn't supposed to take it. One common remark you get is, "I came to your door to offer you bible literature, now you can come to mine to offer me yours." At least that is what they said in our area. I never made a big deal about it. But I would dispose of it.

    CNN etc is fine, but if an 'apostate' is on there, they are supposed to turn it off. No interaction with apostates is acceptable, and than means listening to them on the radio, watching them on TV, reading what they have written, or FSM forbid, engaging them on this forum!

    An apostate is someone that was baptized as a JW, but then decided they no longer believed it. They are worse than serial killers, because unlike serial killers, they cannot be forgiven. They are inculcated with a phobia against apostates. They have been told that apostates will infect them and cause them to wreck spiritually. They are tools of Satan and exist for one purpose: To pull you away from the true god. In reality, they are just going to share with you what the JW's won't tell you, and in that case you may just walk away. But you will not be motivated by what they have been taught.

    A recent article referred to apostates as 'mentally diseased'. That got a bit of news coverage.

    They are so afraid of apostate like stuff, they WILL bring an elder to hide behind. When I was studying, someone gave me a phone number than ended in 1914. (before mobile phones and such) It was a recording that talked about the Memorial. It didn't convince me of anything, but I mentioned it to the woman I studied with. She brought her elder husband to discuss it with me. There was panic. I had touched an apostate, and needed to be disinfected.

    Now I'm an 'apostate' and couldn't be happier!

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    In practice, Jehovah's Witnesses take vacations then feel guilty about it. A common practice in one Kingdom Hall would be for several couples to go on a skiing weekend over the Christmas holiday. They can feel clean about it because they are avoiding the holiday while having fun.

    I vividly recall one of their artful images, a street scene, two families. One family is walking along the sidewalk, dressed for field service, carrying briefcases and Watchtowers under their arm. The other family speeding by in their jeep convertible, dressed casually, and obviously enjoying themselves. Guess which family is "approved"?

    You are wrong about "second chances" at judgement day. Most Jehovah's Witnesses work out their salvation with fear and trembling, never certain if they are approved or not. At least the Catholics have a prescribed guilt-dispersal system. For instance, there was a recent article about mixed marriages where only one partner is a Witness. The article suggested that the Witness's spirituality must always remain in question because of their choice. Nice, huh? My husband attended the study of that article and another spouse of a mixed marriage confessed she is never sure if she is approved of by Jehovah or not.

    As to whether a true believer would not have trouble keeping all the rules of the religion, I think the opposite is true. There are so many darned rules and interpretations, that it is virtually impossible to keep them all. So little rules are broken, the Witness hopes they will be accepted in their imperfect, earthly state.

  • Cagefighter
    Cagefighter

    Good job everybody! I am waaay to ADD to ever attempt to answer this question. I would not know where to begin or end!

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    Regarding what Jgnat said:

    This was a disgusting story shared by a District Overseer after that horrifying tsunami in Asia.

    He said that only two JW's died because others along the coast had gone inland to the Kingdom Hall to work in service that day. The JW couple that died were on vacation and the water swept into their room. He said, and this really happened, "that should be a lesson for all of us!"

    I was absolutely trembling with anger---even while I was still 'in'. I wanted to ask him exactly WHAT lesson was that? That going on vacation with your spouse if evil? That field service will protect you? That good JW's don't get hit by natural disaster? What should I learn about that young boy who died in a car accident while working in service?

    Absolutely one of the most disgusting things I ever heard from the platform---and there were many.

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