stake or cross?

by Tekel 46 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Glander
    Glander

    It had better be a cross. There are billions in jewelry, architecture and various tchotchke that depict the Jesus Cross. Not to mention the various ceremonies making the sign of the cross with Holy Water, etc. No more making the sign of the cross across your chest and kissing your fingers! Apostates !

    This would be the biggest recall in religious history.

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    What we know for sure is that the Reasoning book is full of crap. See below.

  • Aware!
    Aware!

    I just so happened to read about this yesterday on Randall Watters' website http://www.freeminds.org/. Click here for the article. The medical research is what caught my attention. "Years ago, LeBec and Barbet had concluded that a person hung by his arms overhead would suffocate in a manner of minutes, due to the inability of the lungs to expand and contract in such a position." And yes, it doesn't matter how he died but that He provided a ransom for all who believe in Him.

    1 Timothy 2:3-6—For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."

    John 3:14-18—"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

  • Aware!
    Aware!

    Did Randy's article help with your question, Tekel?

  • transhuman68
    transhuman68

    Reader's Digest Mysteries of The Bible (1988):

    Crime and punishment in ancient times

    A gruesome death

    CRUCIFIXION WAS a form of capital punishment, but it was much more. It was a means of slow torture and public display, intended to shame and degrade the criminal and to deter others. Because of these added elements, its use throughout the Roman Empire was limited to slaves and non-Roman lower classes.

    The basic procedures of a typical Roman crucifixion were certainly well known in ancient times, but there was considerable room for variation in practice. The condemned was scourged and usually forced to carry the cross-beam of his cross to the place where the upright part was fixed in the ground. He was stripped to his undergarments and nailed to the cross-beam with a four- or five-inch spike through the wrists. The cross-beam was hoisted up and attached to the top of the gibbet, usually forming a "T" shape. The weight of the body usually rested on a short crosspiece beneath the buttocks. This support helped prolong the torture, so that the condemned would not die quickly. The feet were nailed to the cross by a spike that was driven through both feet together. If the executioners wished to hasten death, the victim's legs could be broken, so that the body would slump down and constrict breathing.

    The reality of this procedure has become particularly vivid through the recent discovery of a tomb near Jerusalem. Dating from the first century of our era, the tomb contained a partial skeleton of a man crucified perhaps during the census revolt Of A.D.6. The remains include the heel bones, still fastened together by a spike more than four inches long, and the lower leg bones, which showed that both legs had been broken.

    Without such a coup de grace to speed death, a victim might remain alive on a cross for several days until he died of starvation, exposure, or the effects of his wounds. Often the corpse would be left on public display until it became, as one ancient author wrote, "food for birds of prey and grim pickings for dogs." The grotesque realities of crucifixion were seldom spelled out in literature, but they provided a grisly show for the public in practically any city, and Jerusalem had seen its share.

    The Torah did not specify crucifixion as a means of capital punishment, but it did allow for the corpse of a criminal, executed by stoning perhaps, to be hanged publicly for one day. The body had to buried by nightfall, however, because its continued exposure would defile the land, "for a hanged man is accursed by God" (Deuteronomy 21:23). This divine curse applied fully to crucified criminals and made the cross a particularly hateful form of execution among the Jews.

  • Diest
    Diest

    marked.

  • dog is god
    dog is god

    PotAto...Potahto.

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