Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 05-20-2012 WT Study (HOPE)

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    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 05-20-2012 WT Study (MARCH 15, 2012, pages 20-24)(HOPE)

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    “[There is] hope of the everlasting life which

    God, who cannot lie, promised before times

    long lasting.”—TITUS 1:2.


    Why do we know that there

    is joy in heaven when one of

    the anointed maintains a life

    course of integrity?

    How is the realization of the

    hope of the other sheep related

    to that of the anointed?

    To see our hope fulfilled, what

    “holy acts of conduct” and

    “deeds of godly devotion” must

    we manifest?


    Why brackets? Why not just put the words in there or quote it in context or give people credit for having a reasoning mind?

    Back in the mid 70’s changed the process at the WT Study by having the paragraphs read first, then the question asked. Too many people were reading ahead in the paragraph when they were asking the question first, because people had not read the Watchtower yet, let alone “studied” it.

    So now the review comes first? I always thought it came last.

    I will be highlighting some outstanding statements for awhile.


    1. How can the hope Jehovah has given us help us to endure?

    JEHOVAH is “the God who gives hope.” So said

    the apostle Paul, adding that Jehovah can ‘fill

    us with all joy and peace by our believing, that

    we may abound in hope with power of holy spirit.’

    (Rom. 15:13) If our hope abounds in us, we will

    be able to endure any situation that may arise, our

    hearts filled with joy and peace. As with anointed

    Christians, such a hope will prove to be “an anchor

    for the soul, both sure and firm” for other Christians.

    (Heb. 6:18, 19) Our hope is something we can

    cling to during the storms of life, something that

    will help us not to drift into doubt or lack of faith.

    Read Hebrews 2:1; 6:11.


    We have 2 snippets of scriptures, makes it easier to direct the meaning the WTS wants. Who needs to re-write the NWT.

    So jws are told to cling to an anonymous hope but not real life people during the “storms of life.” Do they doubt God or the WTS/FDS/GB. After being told 1914, 1925, 1975 was the end by that group, it is not hard to see why jws lack faith in the organization and the God the WTS claims to be the only true representative of.

    What does the WTS say Jesus gives us, what role does he play in hope?

    2. What two hopes are to be found among Christians today,

    and why are the “other sheep” interested in the hope the

    anointed entertain?

    2 Christians living at this time of the end focus

    their attention on one of two hopes. The remaining

    members of the “little flock” of anointed Christians

    have the hope of immortal life in heaven as

    kings and priests with Christ in his Kingdom. (Luke

    12:32; Rev. 5:9, 10) The far more numerous “great

    crowd” of “other sheep” share the hope of living forever

    on a paradise earth as subjects of the Messianic

    Kingdom. (Rev. 7:9, 10; John 10:16) The other sheep

    should never forget that their salvation depends on

    their active support of Christ’s anointed “brothers”

    still on earth. (Matt. 25:34-40) The anointed will

    enter into their reward, but the hope of the other

    sheep will just as certainly be fulfilled. (Read Hebrews

    11:39, 40.) First, let us examine the hope set

    before the anointed.


    Christians living at the time of the end (1914, 1925, 1975) = only members of the WTS

    Only some jws are anointed Christians = no non-jws qualify for either group

    Where is the term “paradise earth” in the NWT (I don’t think it is in any bible version)?

    So Jesus’ ransom sacrifice is valueless—“the other sheep should never forget that their salvation depends on their active support of Christ’s anointed “brothers” still on earth”

    The WTS slides around their teaching that the “other sheep” do not get their reward until the end of the 1,000 year reign of Christ…to reach perfection…so do those going to heaven become instantly perfect when resurrected to heaven?


    3, 4. How do anointed Christians undergo “a

    new birth to a living hope,” and what is that


    3 The apostle Peter wrote two letters

    to anointed Christians, whom he called

    “the ones chosen.” (1 Pet. 1:1) He provided

    details of the wonderful hope

    granted to the little flock. In his first letter,

    Peter wrote: “Blessed be the God

    and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for

    according to his great mercy he gave us

    a new birth to a living hope through

    the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the

    dead, to an incorruptible and undefiled

    and unfading inheritance. It is reserved

    in the heavens for you, who are being

    safeguarded by God’s power through

    faith for a salvation ready to be revealed

    in the last period of time. In this fact you

    are greatly rejoicing.”—1 Pet. 1:3-6.


    Writing to anointed Christians; the WTS would like jws to think that they are secondary in God’s eyes, as if they were Gentiles in the OT accounts trying to read the Torah and see themselves in the words.

    Note that the WTS quotes all of 1 Peter 1:3-6 rather than snippet or snippets strung together. They want the rank and file to realize that they will never be unfading, incorruptible and that the jw anointed today are truly “special.” It is much as women are told about their place in God’s arrangement, secondary and always will be so on earth…remember though women were called to heaven, so will there be a secondary arrangement still or is heaven a genderless place so all will be kings and priests including those who had lived their lives in the flesh on earth as women?

    4 The limited number of Christians

    chosen by Jehovah to be associated with

    Christ in the heavenly Kingdom government

    undergo “a new birth” as spirit begotten

    sons of God. They are anointed

    with holy spirit to become kings

    and priests with Christ. (Rev. 20:6) Peter

    states that this “new birth” opens up

    to them “a living hope,” which he calls

    “an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading

    inheritance” reserved for them

    “in the heavens.” Small wonder that the

    anointed ‘greatly rejoice’ in their living

    hope! The realization of that hope, however,

    depends on their faithfulness.


    While the number is limited has been growing over the last few years. “not replacements” said Fred Franz, not all genuine says the WTS. They would like to be in charge of the calling but the bible says it is only between the individual and God. So are the wheat and the weeds still being separated?

    5, 6. Why must anointed Christians do their

    utmost to make their heavenly calling sure?

    5 In his second letter, Peter exhorted

    anointed Christians to ‘do their utmost

    to make their calling and choosing

    of themselves sure.’ (2 Pet. 1:10) They

    must exert themselves to develop such

    Christian qualities as faith, godly devotion,

    brotherly affection, and love. Peter

    stated: “If these things exist in you and

    overflow, they will prevent you from being

    either inactive or unfruitful.”—Read

    2 Peter 1:5-8.


    So this judging is by the personal internally and externally by God; not by fellow humans not even elders, COs, Dos, GB.

    I wonder how many hours, return visits, etc., the 1 st century Christians recorded on their time slip?

    6 In his message to the spirit-begotten

    elders in the first-century congregation

    of Philadelphia in Asia Minor, the risen

    Christ said: “Because you kept the word

    about my endurance, I will also keep

    you from the hour of test, which is to

    come upon the whole inhabited earth,

    to put a test upon those dwelling on

    the earth. I am coming quickly. Keep on

    holding fast what you have, that no one

    may take your crown.” (Rev. 3:10, 11)

    Were an anointed Christian to become

    unfaithful, he would not receive “the

    unfadable crown of glory” promised to

    the chosen ones who remain faithful

    until death.—1 Pet. 5:4; Rev. 2:10.


    Were they any elders who were not spirit-begotten, of course not, all Christians were spirit-begotten, even the women.

    So since the anointed are not perfect, what level of unfaithfulness are they talking about, does that mean if they commit a df’ing offense they are out permanently? Oh, that’s right Corinthians is used by the WTS to prove df’ing is right and df’d anointed can be invited back in.


    7. What wonderful hope did Jude mention in

    his letter?

    7 About the year 65 C.E., Jesus’ half

    brother Jude wrote a letter to his fellow

    anointed Christians, whom he addressed

    as “the called ones.” (Jude 1;

    compare Hebrews 3:1.) He had intended

    to write them a letter centering

    on the glorious hope of salvation that

    Christians called to God’s heavenly

    Kingdom “hold in common.” (Jude 3)

    Although he had other urgent issues to

    address, at the conclusion of his short

    letter, he referred to the wonderful hope

    shared by anointed Christians, writing:

    “Now to the one who is able to guard

    you from stumbling and to set you unblemished

    in the sight of his glory with

    great joy, to the only God our Savior

    through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory,

    majesty, might and authority for all past

    eternity and now and into all eternity.”

    —Jude 24, 25.


    Notice how the WTS is being very careful to admit that all these scriptures were written to anointed Christians, there were no “other sheep” Christians back then despite the scriptures the WTS uses to “prove” that.

    The hope for the “other sheep” is not so wonderful as that for anointed jws though. But then anointed Christians made serious mistakes so were no more holy that any human today.

    8. In line with Jude 24, what indicates that

    there is joy in heaven when one of the anointed

    proves his integrity?

    8 Certainly, faithful anointed Christians

    want to be safeguarded against individually

    stumbling into destruction.

    Their Bible-based hope is that Jesus

    Christ will resurrect them from the

    dead, allowing them to appear in spiritual

    perfection before the presence of

    God with great joy. When one of the

    anointed dies faithful, it is with the sure

    prospect of being “raised up a spiritual

    body,” resurrected “in incorruption

    . . . , in glory.” (1 Cor. 15:42-44) If there

    is much “joy in heaven over one sinner

    that repents,” imagine the joy in the

    heavenly courts when one of Christ’s

    spirit-begotten brothers finishes a life

    course of integrity. (Luke 15:7) Jehovah

    and the faithful spirit creatures will rejoice

    along with the anointed one then

    receiving his reward “with great joy.”

    Read 1 John 3:2.


    Spiritual perfection – instantly but the “other sheep” need 1,000 years to become perfect. The anointed also instantly are made immortal but the OS can only hope for everlasting life.

    No joy over the other sheep?!

    9. How is entrance into the Kingdom “richly

    supplied” to faithful anointed ones, and how

    does this hope affect the anointed yet on earth?

    9 In the same vein, Peter wrote to

    anointed Christians that if they make

    their calling sure by their faithfulness,

    “there will be richly supplied to

    [them] the entrance into the everlasting

    kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus

    Christ.” (2 Pet. 1:10, 11) Their entrance

    into their heavenly reward will be “richly

    supplied,” their Christian qualities reflecting

    radiantly. That it is “richly supplied”

    may also suggest the superlative

    degree of blessedness that these who

    have exerted themselves in the race

    for life will enjoy. They can look back

    on their faithful life course with hearts

    full of exultation and gratitude. This

    prospect undoubtedly gives the anointed

    Christians yet on earth strength to

    ‘brace up their minds for continued activity.’—

    1 Pet. 1:13.


    So works make their calling more sure; where does grace or undeserved kindness fit in?

    Anointed Christians = only anointed jws; how do the OS fit in?


    Anointed Christians undergo “a new birth to a living hope”


    10, 11. (a) What hope is set before the other

    sheep? (b) How is the realization of the earthly

    hope related to Christ and to “the revealing of

    the sons of God”?

    10 The apostle Paul wrote of the glorious

    hope of the spirit-begotten “sons of

    God” as “joint heirs” of Christ. Then he

    mentioned the wonderful hope that Jehovah

    holds out to the unlimited number

    of other sheep: “The eager expectation

    of the [human] creation is waiting

    for the revealing of the sons of God [the

    anointed]. For the creation was subjected

    to futility, not by its own will but

    through him that subjected it, on the basis

    of hope that the creation itself also

    will be set free from enslavement to corruption

    and have the glorious freedom

    of the children of God.”—Rom. 8:14-21.


    Did you realize as a jw that the other sheep aren’t seen as “sons of God” until the end of the 1,000 year reign?

    So why does the WTS have to add to the bible using brackets?

    [human] creation

    Sons of God ‘the anointed]

    11 “The basis of hope” for mankind

    was given by Jehovah when he promised

    deliverance from “the original serpent,”

    Satan the Devil, by means of the

    promised “seed.” (Rev. 12:9; Gen. 3:15)

    That “seed” was primarily Jesus Christ.

    (Gal. 3:16) By his death and resurrection,

    Jesus provided a solid basis for

    mankind’s hope to be set free from enslavement

    to sin and death. The realization

    of this hope is related to “the revealing

    of the sons of God.” The glorified

    anointed ones are the secondary part of

    the “seed.” They will be ‘revealed’ when

    they share with Christ in destroying Satan’s

    wicked system of things. (Rev. 2:

    26, 27) This will bring salvation to the

    other sheep who come out of the great

    tribulation.—Rev. 7:9, 10, 14.


    Not only does the WTS say their anointed are the secondary seed of the Christ, they also consider Jesus “the head” but they are “the body” of Christ.

    Will all the jw anointed be in heaven when this destruction takes place; will they all be present for the marriage of the bride of Christ to Jesus?

    So salvation is through the jw anointed (144,000) and one Jesus?

    Destroying Satan’s wicked system of things = all non-jws, 7 billion plus men, women, and children including babies, all dead forever.

    12. The revealing of the anointed will have

    what glorious benefits for mankind?

    12 What relief will come to human

    “creation” during the Thousand Year

    Reign of Christ! At that time, the glorified

    “sons of God” will be further ‘revealed’

    when they act as priests with

    Christ, administering the benefits of Jesus’

    ransom sacrifice to mankind. As

    subjects of the heavenly Kingdom, human

    “creation” will begin to experience

    deliverance from the effects of sin and

    death. Obedient humans will gradually

    “be set free from enslavement to corruption.”

    If they remain faithful to Jehovah

    throughout the Millennium and

    during the final test that will come at

    the end of it, their names will be permanently

    written in “the scroll of life.”

    They will enter into “the glorious freedom

    of the children of God.” (Rev. 20:7,

    8, 11, 12) A glorious hope indeed!


    So who will be in charge on earth? The non-anointed elders, still imperfect? How will Jesus and the 144,000 communicate with the remaining jws on earth? Will they see them?

    Obedient humans = obedient to whom? Christ or the still imperfect jw elders on earth?


    13. Upon what is our hope founded, and when

    will Christ be revealed?

    13 Peter’s two inspired letters contain

    much to help the anointed and the other

    sheep to keep their respective hopes

    alive. He pointed out that their hope is

    not founded on their works, but on Jehovah’s

    undeserved kindness. He wrote:

    “Keep balanced and set your hope completely

    upon the undeserved kindness

    that is to be brought to you at the revelation

    of Jesus Christ.” (1 Pet. 1:13; ftn.)

    Christ will be revealed when he comes

    to reward his faithful followers and execute

    Jehovah’s judgments upon the ungodly.—

    Read 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10.


    Remember paragraph 2:

    The other sheep

    should never forget that their salvation depends on

    their active support of Christ’s anointed “brothers”

    still on earth. (Matt. 25:34-40)

    14, 15. (a) To keep our hope alive, on what

    must we focus our attention? (b) What counsel

    did Peter give?

    14 To keep our hope alive, we must

    focus our attention and center our lives

    on the coming “day of Jehovah.” That

    will bring the destruction of the present-day

    “heavens,” or human rulership, and

    “earth,” wicked human society and its

    “elements.” Peter wrote: “What sort of

    persons ought you to be . . . , awaiting

    and keeping close in mind the presence

    of the day of Jehovah, through which the

    heavens being on fire will be dissolved

    and the elements being intensely hot

    will melt!”—2 Pet. 3:10-12.


    Did Abraham and Sarah center their lives on the “coming ‘day of Jehovah’”?

    Hebrews 11:13

    In faith all these died, although they did not get the [fulfillment of the] promises, but they saw them afar off and welcomed them and publicly declared that they were strangers and temporary residents in the land.

    Wicked human society = all non-jws

    15 The present “heavens” and “earth”

    will be replaced by “new heavens

    [Christ’s Kingdom government] and

    a new earth [a new earthly society].”

    (2 Pet. 3:13) Peter then gave straightforward

    counsel, based on the fact of our

    “awaiting,” or keeping our hope alive

    for, this promised new world: “Hence,

    beloved ones, since you are awaiting

    these things, do your utmost to be found

    finally by him spotless and unblemished

    and in peace.”—2 Pet. 3:14.


    [Christ’s Kingdom government] = bracketed information added by the WTS to the bible. I guess Peter missed that part


    16, 17. (a) What “holy acts of conduct” and

    “deeds of godly devotion” should we manifest?

    (b) How will our hope be fulfilled?

    16 Not only must we keep our hope

    alive but we must also live in harmony

    with our hope. We should pay attention

    to the sort of person we are

    spiritually. “Holy acts of conduct” involve

    our ‘maintaining our conduct fine

    among the nations,’ by our moral rectitude.

    (2 Pet. 3:11; 1 Pet. 2:12) We must

    have ‘love among ourselves.’ That includes

    doing all we can to maintain

    the unity of our worldwide brotherhood

    even among those in our local congregation.

    (John 13:35) “Deeds of godly devotion”

    are deeds that confirm our close

    relationship with Jehovah. This involves

    the quality of our prayers, as well as our

    daily Bible reading, deep personal study,

    family worship, and an active share in

    preaching the “good news of the kingdom.”—

    Matt. 24:14.


    Works = acts and deeds

    Moral rectitude = how does concealing pedophiles in the congregation fall into this category?

    No close relationship with Christ?

    What does the WTS consider an “active” share?

    15 minutes/month if ill and/or elderly (prior approval by elders first)

    1 hour/month

    30 hours/50 hours/70 hours/130 hours = and what scriptures is that in?

    What does the bible say is the good news of the kingdom; what do jws say?

    17 Each of us wants to be the sort of

    person Jehovah approves of and will

    save when the present wicked system is

    “dissolved. “We will thus experience the

    realization of our hope, the “hope of the

    everlasting life which God, who cannot

    lie, promised before times long lasting.”

    —Titus 1:2.


    Jehovah approves of or the WTS and their administrative representatives? Who judges in the congregation of jws, the elders?

    Present wicked system = all non-jws will die forever.

    Everlasting life = but not until after 1,000 years.


    So according to the NWT, old or revised, what does the WTS say elsewhere re what jw salvation depends on? Is the WTS/FDS/GB putting themselves in place of Christ?

    *** w06 7/1 pp.5-6***

    According to the apostle Peter, “there is no salvation in anyone else.” (Acts 4:12)This is true because our salvation depends on the precious blood of Christ. (1 Peter 1:18, 19)

    *** w01 2/1 p.16 par.11***

    In any case, our salvation depends, not on anything we might do, but on Jehovah’s undeserved kindness through Christ Jesus , our Lord. Paul clearly explained: “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and it is as a free gift that they are being declared righteous by his undeserved kindness through the release by the ransom paid by Christ Jesus.” However, our works are proof of our active faith in God’s promises.—Romans 3:23, 24; James 2:17, 18, 24.

    *** w01 9/15 p.23***

    Jehovah has decreed that all who come to him must do so through Jesus. (John 14:6) Actually, “there is no salvation in anyone else.” (Acts 4:12) Our ultimate survival depends, not on ‘silver or gold . . . , but on the precious blood of Christ.’ (1 Peter 1:18, 19)

    Truly the WTS continues to speak out of both sides of their collective mouths.

    Next week, DO NOT LOOK AT “THE THINGS BEHIND.” What things do you think the WTS interprets that as being.

    Love, Blondie

  • sd-7

    So according to the NWT, old or revised, what does the WTS say elsewhere re what jw salvation depends on? Is the WTS/FDS/GB putting themselves in place of Christ?


    At that time, the glorified

    “sons of God” will be further ‘revealed’

    when they act as priests with

    Christ, administering the benefits of Jesus’

    ransom sacrifice to mankind.

    Impossible for people who needed the ransom themselves to do this. It's blasphemy and grossly unscriptural. They NEVER cite any scripture that even hints at this teaching, and I'm not sure most JWs even notice its implications. But it's the clearest sign of all that the Governing Body considers itself equal to Jesus Christ.


  • Bubblegum Apotheosis
    Bubblegum Apotheosis

    Paragraph 8 of this lesson is twisted thinking, Jesus Christ has never passed his authority onto anyone else! Jehovah in the Hebrew Scriptures never allowed anyone but the "High Priest" into the "Most Holy" area of the Temple. Jesus Christ is the "High Priest" for all Christians who follower his commandments, he is the only way we can draw close to Jehovah God!

    The writer of this article is stretching the truth, he adds to the Holy Scriptures, Read Luke 15:1-7, where does Jesus Christ's words imply there would be more joy of one type of "sinner who repents in Heaven" over another type of "sinner". Read James Chapter 2, tell me where James describes another kind of superior sinner, one who would be better than his Christ-like brothers? Can you find the Watchtower's specious reasoning, that "Heaven would rejoice even more so, when a Annoited Christian completed his earthly life!"???

    Example, one of the "other sheep" gives up sin, becomes a self-less missionary in a highly persecuted country, her life is dedicated to Jesus Christ for Seventy years of preachings, teaching, and living the Master's commandments to a wonderful degree. She gave up everything to preach to "ears that never heard of Christ". Would her death be less celebrated in Heaven as opposed to a Governing Body member who lived in riches his whole life. He lived in comfort, luxury, and fame, the greatest sacrifice he made, was "flying Coach" to give a talk. Never once was he a missionary, he wrote about "how it might be to be a missionary". When he dies, does Heaven put a greater celebratory production, than Sister Missionary's deeds?

    Read James 2:1-11 The Message

    The Royal Rule of Love

    1-4My dear friends, don't let public opinion influence how you live out our glorious, Christ-originated faith. If a man enters your church wearing an expensive suit, and a street person wearing rags comes in right after him, and you say to the man in the suit, "Sit here, sir; this is the best seat in the house!" and either ignore the street person or say, "Better sit here in the back row," haven't you segregated God's children and proved that you are judges who can't be trusted?
    5-7Listen, dear friends. Isn't it clear by now that God operates quite differently? He chose the world's down-and-out as the kingdom's first citizens, with full rights and privileges. This kingdom is promised to anyone who loves God. And here you are abusing these same citizens! Isn't it the high and mighty who exploit you, who use the courts to rob you blind? Aren't they the ones who scorn the new name-"Christian"-used in your baptisms?

    8-11You do well when you complete the Royal Rule of the Scriptures: "Love others as you love yourself." But if you play up to these so-called important people, you go against the Rule and stand convicted by it. You can't pick and choose in these things, specializing in keeping one or two things in God's law and ignoring others. The same God who said, "Don't commit adultery," also said, "Don't murder." If you don't commit adultery but go ahead and murder, do you think your non-adultery will cancel out your murder? No, you're a murderer, period.

    (Luke 15:1-7) 1.Tax collectors and other notorious sinners often came to listen to Jesus teach. 2 This made the Pharisees and teachers of religious law complain that he was associating with such sinful people-even eating with them!

    3 So Jesus told them this story: 4 "If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them gets lost, what will he do? Won't he leave the ninety-nine others in the wilderness and go to search for the one that is lost until he finds it? 5 And when he has found it, he will joyfully carry it home on his shoulders. 6 When he arrives, he will call together his friends and neighbors, saying, ‘Rejoice with me because I have found my lost sheep.' 7 In the same way, there is more joy in heaven over one lost sinner who repents and returns to God than over ninety-nine others who are righteous and haven't strayed away!

    1 John Chapter 3: Reads

    See how very much our Father loves us, for he calls us his children, and that is what we are! But the people who belong to this world don't recognize that we are God's children because they don't know him. 2 Dear friends, we are already God's children, but he has not yet shown us what we will be like when Christ appears. But we do know that we will be like him, for we will see him as he really is. 3 And all who have this eager expectation will keep themselves pure, just as he is pure.

    4 Everyone who sins is breaking God's law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God. 5 And you know that Jesus came to take away our sins, and there is no sin in him. 6 Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is.

    7 Dear children, don't let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it shows that they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous. 8 But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil. 9 Those who have been born into God's family do not make a practice of sinning, because God's life[a] is in them. So they can't keep on sinning, because they are children of God. 10 So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil. Anyone who does not live righteously and does not love other believers[b] does not belong to God.

    Love One Another

    11 This is the message you have heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12 We must not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and killed his brother. And why did he kill him? Because Cain had been doing what was evil, and his brother had been doing what was righteous. 13 So don't be surprised, dear brothers and sisters,[c] if the world hates you.

    14 If we love our Christian brothers and sisters,[d] it proves that we have passed from death to life. But a person who has no love is still dead. 15 Anyone who hates another brother or sister[e] is really a murderer at heart. And you know that murderers don't have eternal life within them.

    16 We know what real love is because Jesus gave up his life for us. So we also ought to give up our lives for our brothers and sisters. 17 If someone has enough money to live well and sees a brother or sister[f] in need but shows no compassion-how can God's love be in that person?

    18 Dear children, let's not merely say that we love each other; let us show the truth by our actions. 19 Our actions will show that we belong to the truth, so we will be confident when we stand before God. 20 Even if we feel guilty, God is greater than our feelings, and he knows everything.

    21 Dear friends, if we don't feel guilty, we can come to God with bold confidence. 22 And we will receive from him whatever we ask because we obey him and do the things that please him.

    23 And this is his commandment: We must believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as he commanded us. 24 Those who obey God's commandments remain in fellowship with him, and he with them. And we know he lives in us because the Spirit he gave us lives in us.

  • Phizzy

    Thank you so much Blondie for still taking the time to read and de-construct the Watchtower drivil. Dear girl, you must have one strong stomach !

    I cannot now bear to read it, I begin to feel really ill, and very angry too, at the mnd-control , twisting of scripture, and lies.

    Thank you too, to those who comment on your threads, when I first left, these "Commentary" threads really helped me to get things in perspective, and to strengthen my resolve to leave the WT.

    Thank you.

  • irondork

    The GB is always presenting itself and the FDS in general in elvated terms. More holy. Higher ranking. Possessing a more glorious hope. Paragraph 8 indicates that the FDS even elicit more happiness in the heavens just for doing the right thing.

    If there is much “joy in heaven over one sinner

    that repents,” imagine the joy in the

    heavenly courts when one of Christ’s

    spirit-begotten brothers finishes a life

    course of integrity.

  • irondork

    Sorry Bubblegum, I just noticed your response on that.

  • Slidin Fast
    Slidin Fast

    Were an anointed Christian to become

    unfaithful, he would not receive “the

    unfadable crown of glory” promised to

    the chosen ones who remain faithful

    until death.—1 Pet. 5:4; Rev. 2:10.


    So since the anointed are not perfect, what level of unfaithfulness are they talking about, does that mean if they commit a df’ing offense they are out permanently? Oh, that’s right Corinthians is used by the WTS to prove df’ing is right and df’d anointed can be invited back in.

    So presumably.... an annointed person is unfaithfull and loses his place. To maintain the numbers another person is annointed to take his place. Woops the original person is reinstated, regains his faith. What happens to the unlucky replacement? Does he wake up one morning de-annointed?

  • Ding

    A great model of humility... human history is all about THEM....

  • Room 215
    Room 215

    "The other sheep should never forget that their salvation depends on their active support of Christ’s anointed “brothers”

    still on earth. (Matt. 25:34-40)" If that isn't blasphemy, then I don't understand my dictionary's definition of the term. Also, note how the sentence is framed in the third person: The other sheep "their salvation:" "their active support" ... most of today's WT writers are of the "Other Sheep" class.. none of the Governing Body are described as writers.

  • WTWizard

    For this hope to work, it has to be valid.

    Now, supposing the hope is on faulty premises. Notice that the Washtowel came from a series of end-time cults forming in the 1830s. Eventually, they settled on 1874 as the end--that was in 1872. Repeatedly, they altered the date after it came with nothing happening. What happens when this hope keeps failing?

    And, what happens when the source is faulty? Just because the LIE-ble mentions something happened to someone doesn't mean you will get the same thing. Jehovah may have blessed a few selected people--if you can believe the LIE-ble--to make a show. But, you do the same thing, and nothing. Were these accounts even accurate? Were they based on a story, embellished and written down in lieu of real blessings? Or, was the whole thing made up, stolen from accounts that are more than 10,000 years old?

    Delivering us from Satan? This is 180 o away from what needs to be done. I need to be delivered from Jehovah, NOT Father Satan. Remember who was it that forbade the first humans from spiritual knowledge in Eden? Knowledge of good and bad was for Jehovah, to use against us for enslaving us. Satan, at great personal risk and cost, opened His big mouth and blew in the scam. Jehovah, the sore loser he is, had to resort to brute force when Satan blabbed about the scam. Hope of delivering me from my Savior Satan is hope for my damnation--a "hope(??)" I do NOT need!

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