Judicial Committee Meetings – Sexual Matters

by Celestial 29 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  00DAD

  anezthy: I lied on the first question

  This is a very interesting point. I think many of us, maybe even most, have had an experience like this where under extreme pressure we lied, weren't struck dead by an angel and then after getting over the initial fear and shock realized: This is NOT God's Arrangement.

  Judicial Committees prove that God is not backing the WTBTS!!!

  The implications of this are momentous. The situation that ignites the spark of light that becomes the dawning realization that this may not be, in fact IS not, God's organization is often created by the elders following the society's byzantine judicial procedures.

  Soon afterwards a series of profound, life-changing realizations begin flooding into your mind and consciousness!

  This was certainly how it happened for me.
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  wha happened?

  you are one of the few 00DAD. and that's why u can can identify it as manure, despite all the whipped cream on top
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  00DAD

  Manure with whipped cream on top! Dude, you just ruined my appetite!!! ... lol

  I started a new thread on this subject. The Judicial Committees prove that God is not backing the WTBTS!!! , not the manure one!
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  Disillusioned Lost-Lamb

  They only have the right to ask you about whether or not you broke God’s (wash-towel’s) rules and if you’re repentant, but that doesn’t stop them. In a JC they don’t stop asking questions until they have every sordid detail; and since witlesses are told not to go against the elderberries, they’re usually given the juicy gossip they’re pressing for.

  Why?

  The borg basically says only missionary position while married is acceptable; that means no porn, no masturbation, no oral or anal sex and no “kinky” stuff; they ask because they're all sexually repressed closet pervs!
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  wha happened?

  well in the end, whenever an elder tried to counsel me, I used to say that no matter how much whipped cream u put on it, it's still manure.
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  00DAD

  It's truly weird the lengths some elders will go to in asking unnecessary and needlessly humiliating questions in judicial committee meetings IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT THEY ARE INSTRUCTED TO NOT DO THIS!

  Notice this clear, explicit instruction for elders regarding the handling of judicial cases from the "Pay Attention ... to the Flock" book, page 112:

  You must ask pertinent, discreet questions to isolate main issues and determine how or why a problem developed .

  • Probing questions should not go into needless details, especially in regard to sexual misconduct, unless this is absolutely necessary, such as in determining whether pornei'a had been committed. - (Emphasis added)
  • Elders need to treat the accused kindly and respectfully, never harshly. (w89 9/15 p . 19)

  I'm certainly not endorsing or even condoning the JW judicial process by quoting this, just pointing out that many times the abuses by the elders are caused by them being disobedient to the direction they are given. Probably they just can't help their sick selves!

  You may have noticed that I didn't quote the entire title of the "Flock" book. The full title is actually:

  "PAY ATTENTION TO YOURSELVES AND TO ALL THE FLOCK"

  To often the elders are busy focusing on "the flock" and ignoring their own issues. They need more paying attention to themselves!!!

  This brings to mind a particular scripture, Matthew 7:1-5:

  1. “Stop judging that YOU may not be judged;
  2. for with what judgment YOU are judging, YOU will be judged; and with the measure that YOU are measuring out, they will measure out to YOU.
  3. Why, then, do you look at the straw in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the rafter in your own eye?
  4. Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Allow me to extract the straw from your eye’; when, look! a rafter is in your own eye?
  5. Hypocrite! First extract the rafter from your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to extract the straw from your brother’s eye.
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  Nambo

  I dont know if it was a an official JC, how can you tell?, but after the meeting I was taken into the back room by 3 Elders and sat down whilst they gave me the third degree about being seen kissing a Sister I was courting, they where quite aggressively seeking for me to admit I had had sex with the young Lady to the extent I was allmost ready to say "yes I have!" even though I hadnt.

  It then got quite bizzare when they got it in thier heads that I was being falsely accused so maybe to be more friendly?, but one of them starts going on about even though hes been married for many years, he still gets turned on when he sees his wife in the shower!!
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  OnTheWayOut

  I suppose there are some that like to hear the talk from men, but if it's a sister, especially a young one and ultra-especially a pretty one, them elders loves to hear them some details.

  I was chairing a JC about our sister going to third base with a guy, and she was in her twenties and drop-dead gorgeous. It was an open-and-shut case as far as I was concerned. She confessed and said enough details, I was ready to end the circus. BUT NO!!!!! One of the other elders had to hear every frigging detail. When he drags it out of her, it's the stuff masturbation fantasies are made of. The only thing he didn't get from her was for her to make motions with her hands while describing what was being touched.

  I was almost ready to pull the plug on being an elder and fade away. The whole process really soured this lady. I hoped it would drive her out, BUT NO! But I bet she doesn't go right to the elders with her problems anyway.
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  notjustyet

  Has anyone ever decided to RECORD one of these confessionals? It would be wonderful for a "sister" that knows she is going to DA herself that would "set up" a JC to record just what questions they are asking about sexual info on that person, in this case the "sister" secret agent.

  She could go in with the DA letter in hiding and then "play" them as if she had had some illicit affair with someone. Trying to get them to ask questions that are above and beyond the norm. Then after getting the goods on the 33, explain that this was all a hoax and then she hands them her DA letter.

  Then let them know later that she has recorded the conversation and it is being played on youtube etc,..

  Do you think that there would be a chance that anyone could pull this off?
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  PaintedToeNail

  Once upon a time, at a JC meeting, one of the elders asked 'about how many men did you do it with'? I was annoyed and thought this is none of his business...so I lied. He acted like he was REALLY interesting in all the details, which is completely unnecessary. He later got DF'd, divorced and was jobless...a fitting end.