Did Jehovah Destroy Jesus's Pre-Human Spiritual Body?

by VM44 11 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • VM44
    VM44

    Did Jehovah destroy Jesus's pre-human spiritual body?

    As Jesus could not have two bodies at the same time, his "spiritual body" could not continue to exist while he was "human."

    It is said that Jesus came to earth as a human, but if his spirtual body was destroyed, what was left to "come" to earch?

    This becomes more of a problem if the concept of a "soul" is rejected.

    How would The Watchtower answer this question?

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    What spiritual body? How can something spiritual have a fleshly body? Or is this a metaphor?

  • breakfast of champions
    breakfast of champions

    Arent spirit bodies composed of ectoplasm?

  • Londo111
    Londo111

    Today, they would discourage speculation. In olden times, they probably came up with all sorts of crazy ideas.

    I suppose one could view it as a type of phase transition or transformation. They often talk about "life patterns". Jesus retained the same life pattern as the Logos, then as a man, and after his Resurrection in his glorified state. Of course--I never understood what a "life pattern" was.

  • jonathan dough
    jonathan dough

    Which planet doest though hail from?

    Did Jehovah destroy Jesus's pre-human spiritual body?

    God the Son, the Word, was not destroyed. Jesus was a divine person who assumed a human nature. He was God-man.

    The divine Person of Jesus was still fully God, who chose a veiled glory.

    Christ possessed equality with God prior to His incarnation, and then for a time veiled that glory, being always God in all of the co-equal attributes, but in the incarnation never using His Godly powers to better Himself. He was fully God, fully man, God taking on the likeness of sinful flesh (Rom 8:3), not a man adding Godliness. (Strong and Vine’s, 42)

    As Jesus could not have two bodies at the same time, his "spiritual body" could not continue to exist while he was "human."

    Totally false. He was, and is, God-man. Fully God, fully man. The mystery of the union is just that, and accepted as mystery by the church.

    Maybe you're arguing against the Watchtower in this thread? Are you taking the Christians' side, or the WBTS?

    It is said that Jesus came to earth as a human, but if his spirtual body was destroyed, what was left to "come" to earch?

    Jesus didn't come to earth as a human. The Word, God the Son, came to earth and assumed a human nature and became Jesus at conception.

    Jesus the God-man as God-man didn't exist until Mary conceived him.

  • Ding
    Ding

    The whole Michael-Jesus-Michael teaching of the WTS makes no sense.

    In the WT view, all that Jesus and Michael shared was an "impersonal active force," whatever that is.

    So in what sense was Michael Jesus or Jesus Michael?

    One might by equal reasoning say that his TV is his ceiling fan because the same impersonal electric current runs through both of them.

  • cofty
    cofty

    You guys love a mystery don't you jonathan?

    Make nonsensical contradictory statements and call it a divine mystery.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    We accept that you believe in the Trinity, which does not make it correct. I suspect the comments were trying to explain or make jest of the WT nonsense. Everyone knows spooks are ectoplasm. A substance routinely collected in labs. Ghostbusters.

    B/c this forum is diverse, some people argue for their viewpoint, others engage in satire, whatever. This isn't a lecture college course.

    The Michael business needs to coin new phrases. To be fair, parts of the Trinity are ludicrous to me and I believe in it. As much as I hate the Witnesses, my present church, Anglican, teaches some weird things. Anglicans are rich and established so it is prestigious. JW are ignorant and have no royal history so they are jerks. The Bible does not address Christology. Paul and the evangelists were not interested in it. IMO.

  • GOrwell
    GOrwell

    VM44, you just blew my mind.

  • factfinder
    factfinder

    That is a very interesting question , I never even thought about it! And I never was clear about the "life pattern" either, unless it = your personality +DNA. For a spirit creature such as Jesus this would not apply.

    The trinity makes no sense, nor does the Bible teach it. But as far as it goes-everyone beleives what they feel is best for them. I will not discuss the trinity.

    But the OP brings out an excellent question. So much is unknown.

    But the way I feel since leaving the witnesses-its all just academic anyway.

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