Watchtower and the Civil Rights movement

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  • Flat_Accent
    Flat_Accent

    Hello everyone,

    I'm one of the new guys here, but I had a question that's been bugging me for a while.

    I've heard it said quite a number of times that the WTBTS did more for the Black Rights movement in the 60's, than both Martin Luther King and Malcom X. Is there any evidence of this?

    I understand that recently they have made brought some changes to religious freedoms in places like Russia, but I seem to remember that the Watchtower at one point proclaimed that black people would be 'cleansed' and made white in the new system. So to me it sounds rather fallacious.

    Cheers,

    Andy

  • truthseeker1969
    truthseeker1969

    I think it was in Russell times he made the 'cleanse" comments.

    The civil rights thing related to the practise of religion and door to door preaching.

    As for Russia they have fought and sued the government to be allowed to be registered as a religion they won in ECHR but Russia still does not allow much of them.

    The civil right fight does not extend to the congregation where you have no rights to do anything, amazingly they as a corporation will fight when they want their rights but deny them to the rank and file......that is why so many countries are now banning or watching them closely.

  • designs
    designs

    Flat- Welcome. I was a Witness in the 60s and I can't think of any court cases the Society was involved in that supported Civil Rights for minorities. Cases they had earlier in the 40s and 50s were about the Flag Salute issue and Door to Door preaching rights. In fact several young Black Witnesses I knew left the Society and joined the Civil Rights movement in the 60s because they felt the Society was not doing anything.

    The comment you refer to about Blacks becoming white was from Russell who was not a JW but the leader of the Bible Students, president of the Watchtower before it was taken over and made into the JW religion.

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    I've heard it said quite a number of times that the WTBTS did more for the Black Rights movement in the 60's, than both Martin Luther King and Malcom X. Is there any evidence of this
    ?

    Welcome to the forum Flat_Accent.

    Whenever a Dubby makes a statement that sounds a bit iffy, they should be asked to come up with the paperwork to prove it.

    If they can, you haven't got egg on your face because you were just asking.

    If they can't, they have got egg on their face for whatever mistake they made.

    If they won't, they should be made to feel guilty for whatever excuse they are using to weasel their way out of the hole they have dug for themselves.

    Cheers

    Chris

  • Flat_Accent
    Flat_Accent

    Thanks for your responses, guys. It seems then, as though this was one particular case the WT didn't get involved in. I have just read in an older thread (relating to an article) about the fact that in the 30's congregations were separate for whites and blacks.

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/216147/1/Wait-Wait-WHAT-Dec-15th-WT-Study-This-bugs-me

    Yet around the same time the witnesses had strongly fought against things like the flag salute.

  • blondie
    blondie

    The WTS did not participate in the Civil Rights movement, but they did battle for their own rights in court. Indirectly it might have helped others but it was not intentional. During the CR movement, the WTS still had segregated congregations and conventions/assemblies, even after the Jim Crow laws were changed.

    *** g93 2/8 pp. 18-19 Protests and Demonstrations—Can They Change the World? ***

    Demonstrations—The Christian View

    Demonstrations have been described by one sociologist as “a particularly effective mode of political expression . . . for prodding stalemated bureaucracies into taking necessary actions.” Yes, those who march in protests or who stage demonstrations usually do so in hopes that their concerted efforts can correct the injustices and corruption seen in the present social and political systems.

    What model, though, did Jesus Christ leave for his followers? Jesus lived at a time when the Jewish people found themselves under the tyranny of the Roman Empire. Certainly, relief from the oppressive Roman yoke was greatly desired by the people. Yet, Jesus never encouraged his followers to stage a demonstration, march in protest, or become politically involved in any other way. On the contrary, he repeatedly said that his disciples were to be “no part of the world.”—John 15:19; 17:16; see also John 6:15.

    Similarly, when Jesus was unfairly taken into custody by government officials, he did not try to stir up a protest, although he could certainly have done so if he had chosen to. Instead, he told the Roman governor: “My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source.” (John 18:33-36) Faced with a controversy, Jesus refrained from any actions of protest, recognizing the need to remain no part of political affairs. And he urged his followers to do the same.

    Participating in demonstrations, therefore, would violate the basic principle of Christian neutrality taught by Jesus. Beyond that, such participation could even lead to involvement in other unchristian conduct. In what way? Demonstrations staged with good intentions often take on a decidedly rebellious spirit, with participants becoming militant, verbally abusive, or violent. Engaging in illegal and obstructionist tactics may command attention, but it hardly harmonizes with the Bible’s admonition to “be in subjection to the superior authorities” and to “be peaceable with all men.” (Romans 12:18; 13:1) Rather than encouraging civil disobedience, the Bible urges Christians to maintain their conduct fine among the nations and to remain subject to human governments, even if those in authority are hard to please or are unreasonable.—1 Peter 2:12, 13, 18.

    ‘But not all demonstrations are militant or violent,’ some may say. True, and some demonstrations do seem to produce good results. But can protests—even if they are peaceful and held for a good cause—really change the world for the better?

    -----------------------------SEGREGATION

    *** w52 2/1 pp. 94-96 Questions From Readers ***

    ? If the Watchtower Society is free from racial prejudice, why does it tolerate segregation at its assemblies in certain sections of country? Is this not a course of compromise?—F. C., Wisconsin.

    Why do we tolerate the segregation laws and policies of certain governments and organizations of this world? Because Jehovah has not commissioned us to convert the world, which is wicked beyond recovery and hence will be destroyed. Jehovah has commissioned us to preach the gospel. Now what should we do? Drop preaching to fight racial issues? We never have separate meetings and baptisms when we can have them together. But when impossible, shall we have separate meetings and baptisms, or none at all? Shall we serve spiritual food to all, even if separately, or serve it to none? Shall we provide baptism for all, even if separately, or provide it for none? Should we buck Caesar’s segregation laws, when they do not force us to violate God’s laws? God does not forbid separate assembly and baptism, and he commands assembly and baptism. (Matt. 28:19; Heb. 10:25) So should we disobey God to fight a racial issue? To buck the segregation laws would bring on disruption of the witness work, halting of it, mob violence, and possible loss of life. Only laws prohibiting gospel-preaching will we buck at that price.

    Some may argue segregation is prohibited by God, citing Galatians 3:28 (NW): “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in union with Christ Jesus.” That Paul spoke in a spiritual sense and not in a literal, physical sense is obvious, since actually there were male and female, slave and free, Jew and Greek. Because of the existence of Jew and Greek he specially accommodated himself and his preaching to such classes. (1 Cor. 9:19-22) His recognition of slave and freeman we will consider in more detail, since it bears directly on segregation. How so? Because segregation is rooted in slavery, is the outgrowth and hangover of slavery. Segregation, the stain left by slavery, is a lesser evil than slavery. So if the Bible does not instruct Christians to fight slavery it would not sanction them to battle the lesser evil of segregation, at the expense of gospel-preaching.

    Even within the Christian congregation Paul did not protest the slavery of his time. Onesimus was Philemon’s slave, and both were Christians. (Philem. 10-16) Paul wrote Timothy, who pictured the society of witnesses today: “Let as many as are slaves under a yoke keep on considering their owners worthy of full honor.” Why? “That the name of God and the teaching may never be spoken of injuriously.” Kingdom preaching and Jehovah’s vindication are the issues to keep foremost, not creature equality and racial issues. “Moreover, let those having believing owners not look down on them, because they are brothers. On the contrary, let them the more readily be slaves, because those receiving the benefit of their good service are believers and beloved.” (1 Tim. 6:1, 2, NW) Here again note that the slavery of those times existed even within the Christian congregation.

    Paul also wrote: “In whatever state each one was called, let him remain in it. Were you called a slave? Do not let it worry you; but if you can also become free, rather seize the opportunity.” If Paul could say this regarding slavery, how much more so can it be said to those discriminated against by segregation laws: “Do not let it worry you.” It is no cause for Christian concern or anxiety. But if the Lord’s people are in locations where they are free of segregation laws or policies, they rejoice in the greater freedom and delight to be together in assembly. All are slaves of Christ, as Paul goes on to show: “Anyone in the Lord that was called a slave is the Lord’s freedman: likewise he that was called a free man is a slave of Christ.” (1 Cor. 7:20-24, NW) Surprisingly, some colored brothers have strenuously objected to this, protesting as offensive the use of the word “slave” in the NewWorldTranslation. Any who do not wish to be Christ’s slave, whether white or black, can cease such service at any time; but they will be slaves nonetheless, only slaves of Satan and sin. (Rom. 6:16-23, NW) Those who magnify human importance soon hide from their view the really vital issues.

    Jehovah is no respecter of persons. Neither are his people. But the world in which we live is. Whites are prejudiced against colored, colored are prejudiced against whites. In some colored communities after nightfall a white person would enter at the risk of his very life. To justify this on the grounds that the whites started the discrimination is not Scriptural. (Rom. 12:17) Now, where the danger is extreme should white persons enter these hostile communities and suffer beating and possibly death to prove they have a democratic right to be there? Should a white witness endanger his life to attend a meeting of colored witnesses in such places, or stay overnight with his colored brothers there, just to prove his democratic right to do so?

    Many colored persons practice color-prejudice against their own people. Lighter-colored Negroes will shun the darker ones. Some from the Western Hemisphere look down upon the very dark ones from Africa. In South Africa, whites discriminate against the mixed coloreds, the mixed coloreds against the native blacks, the native blacks against the Indian coolies, and in their native India the Indians discriminate against the no caste or outcasts. Who is innocent to throw the first stone? Can we not see that all classes of the human race are evil, that if we start reforming we shall be lost in an impossible task, with endless discriminations and many varieties or injustices to beat down, which crusading social and political organizations of this world have hopelessly fought for years? For us to become like them would be to fail with them, consume our time in such reforms, lose out as Jehovah’s witnesses, and please only the Devil.

    So let us please God by preaching the gospel despite the undesirable conditions the Devil’s world may make for us. Let us not be sidetracked by Satan and caught in a subtle snare camouflaged in lofty motives and ideals. Can we not wait upon Jehovah to avenge the wrongs we suffer now? Really, our colored brothers have great cause for rejoicing. Their race is meek and teachable, and from it comes a high percentage of the theocratic increase. What if the worldly wise and powerful and noble look down on them as foolish and weak and ignoble, not on an equality with self-exalted whites? It is to God’s ultimate honor, for he confounds the wise of this world by choosing those the world considers foolish and weak and ignoble. Let us boast in Jehovah and in our equality in his sight, rather than wanting to boast in equality in the world’s sight. (1 Cor. 1:26-31, NW) In due time the exalted ones will be humbled, and the humble ones will be exalted. (Matt. 23:12) All of us await this vindication from God, which will come in his due time. Until then, as Paul advised concerning slavery we advise concerning its lingering trace, segregation: “Do not let it worry you.” (1 Cor. 7:21, NW) When possible we will meet together, when not possible we will meet separately; but in either event we are always united in spirit, brothers equal in our own sight, in Christ’s sight, and in God’s sight.

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    How could all men be brought to perfection and which color of skin was the original? The answer is now provided. God can change the Ethiopian's skin in his own due time... Julius Jackson, of New Frankfort, Montana, a negro boy of nine years, began to grow white in September, 1901, and is now fully nine-tenths white. He assures us that this is no whitish skin disease; but that the new white skin is as healthy as that of any white boy, and that the changed boy has never been sick and never has taken medicines (Zion's Watch Tower, February 15, 1904: 52-53)

    Julius probably had vitiligo, the same as Michael Jackson, me and several people I have met. It's supposedly rare, but I saw another person with it today.

  • designs
    designs

    "can protests....really change the world for the better, Wt." Hell yes!, but our former religion will go down in history as a non-participant in Human Rights.

  • Flat_Accent
    Flat_Accent

    Wow, blondie. That's some great stuff there. Thanks.

    The message from those articles is blatantly obvious. Do not protest, it's not important. I find it appalling that the Watchtower would deny it's members the freedom to protest against the persecution of african-americans. I'm glad those people who did stand up and protest were not of the Watchtower mentality, or we'd still have been living in an overtly racist society. Although it's clear the WT has to promote it's own ideas that the world can only get worse and worse, and any attempts to better it are a waste of time.

    Awful really. But i'm glad I have seen this. I'll know what to say the next time it is brought up.

  • sir82
    sir82
    I've heard it said quite a number of times that the WTBTS did more for the Black Rights movement in the 60's, than both Martin Luther King and Malcom X. Is there any evidence of this?

    Actually quite the opposite.

    US congregations in the deep south were still segregated on a racial basis until well into the 1960's, in some areas even into the 1970's IIRC.

    There's an old "Questions from Readers" in a Watchtower from the 1950's asking about why JWs segregate their congregations in the US South. The answer is full of justification and baloney. If you have a WT-CD it probably wouldn't be hard to find.

    <Edit> I see Blondie already posted the article I was referring to above.

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