Did God know Adam and Eve will Sin? - JW perspective

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  • TonusOH
    TonusOH

    I never had an issue with god's ability to 'foresee' the future. If something hasn't happened, then you can't see it- the moment doesn't exist yet. So god could be all-knowing and also not know what happens next. So, how can he predict the future, if he can't see it? Easy- he's in full control of everything, everywhere. If he says "this will happen in 100 years" he can make it happen. Presto! He predicted the future.

    After all, I cannot imagine god being bound by time. If he could look forward into the future, he would only see a possible outcome. Otherwise, he would be bound to act by some force greater than him, and that makes no sense at all. God doesn't have to look ahead. He holds reality itself in his hands.

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    My take is that God was not finished creating man in His image and He needed us to battle evil and overcome it to accomplish His plan.

  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345

    Does God's knowledge about creation change?

    The assertion of God's eternity is actually the denial of something. In the ways of knowing God, the so-called "negative" theology denies any attribute of God that can only be asserted of a creature. Being subject to time can only be characteristic of a creature. We express the denial of this with the words "eternal", "everlasting". However, this word can be misunderstood, as it can also mean a duration that never ends. In this sense, we talk about the forthcoming eternal life. However, God's eternity does not mean a duration that has no beginning and no end. In God's case, the word "eternal" means that he is not subject to time, independent of time. Therefore, technically, tenses (past, present, future) would not be applicable to him, but our language, due to the limits of our created existence, cannot exist without tenses. (We note that the most appropriate tense for God might even be the simple present in English, because it can express some independence from time.) Similarly, we could not use time adverbs (before, later, now, etc.) with God. However, our language relies on these even when talking about God, but the theologian must ensure their correct interpretation. The expressions "eternal present", "eternal now" slightly better illustrate God's independence from time, because these indicate that we cannot use words precisely with God as we use them for things, phenomena of our created world. The expressions "eternal present", "eternal now" are contradictory from the point of view of earthly use. The words "present", "now" refer only to the moment without duration, while the word "eternal" means a duration that never ends. For us, people living in time, it is difficult to imagine timelessness, independence from time. The concept of time itself is problematic. According to Augustine's often quoted text: "What then is time? If no one asks me, I know what it is. If I wish to explain it to him who asks, I do not know." (Confessions Book XI Chapter 14). Modern philosophy has various views on the nature of time. Of these, we only mention two opposing positions. Presentists argue that time is a real process, only those things and events exist that exist now. The past no longer exists, the future does not yet exist. Eternalists argue that existence at every moment of time is real existence, regardless of whether the moment is a moment of the past, the present or the future. Eternalists believe that their position is supported by the spacetime view used in the theory of relativity. According to this, time can be considered as a dimension in the same way as our three dimensions of space from a mathematical and physical point of view. In this four-dimensional space, the laws of physics can be described more simply. Just as I can move in space to the right or left, forward or backward, upward or downward, so in relation to time there is no privileged direction, just moving towards the future. (The second law of thermodynamics may determine the direction of time, because entropy cannot decrease in certain types of systems, but we will not deal with this question now.) The points, figures of spacetime are equally present, they exist equally in the four-dimensional spacetime. The sensation of time only arises from our limitation that we are not able to see the things, events existing in essentially static spacetime at once. Thus the experience of the flow of time, change is just an illusion, not reality. This concept has similarities with the position of the ancient philosopher Parmenides, who claimed the impossibility of change. So according to eternalists, the contradiction between the experience of living in time and the changelessness of spacetime is attributable to the fact that due to our circumstances we do not see the whole spacetime at once, but we only become aware of slices of it viewed from the direction of the time axis. However, a mathematician, a theoretical physicist can examine the whole spacetime, he can make statements about it. The resolution of the contradiction in this way raises questions, because it is also a change that sometimes we see one part of spacetime, another time another one.

    According to some views, the presentist and eternalist positions are both present in the philosophy of Thomas Aquinas, and this causes the alleged inconsistency that can be detected in Thomas Aquinas's discussion of God's knowledge of the world. According to Thomas Aquinas, God has full knowledge of the past, the future and the present. So for God's knowledge, things, their states and properties are present independent of time. They think that Thomas Aquinas's position presupposes that change is not real, and it is not true that only the present actually exists. Their opinion seems to be particularly supported by the way God knows future events resulting from free decisions. Certain future events cannot be known from the causes that currently exist. Such events are, for example, those that are the consequences of human free decisions. However, God knows these events in their fulfilled existence. So as if time were just an illusion, for God all things, events in our world are present at once.

    Contrary to the above, however, Thomas Aquinas considers change in our world to be real, the basis of his philosophy is the distinction between possibility, capability, potentiality and actuality, actual occurrence. Change is nothing more than the transition of some potentiality into actuality. Therefore, the reality of changes presupposes the existence of such aspects as "before" and "after", "earlier" and "later". However, the school following Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas does not consider time to be a real process (like Newton, for example). The concepts of time, past, present, future are formed in the sense of things existing in time, but the basis of these are changes that exist independently of the knower and the real relationships between these. So the position of Thomas Aquinas on the reality of changes seems to contradict his eternalist position professed regarding divine cognition. It is also valid to ask whether there can be unchanging knowledge at all about things that really change in time.

    The relationship between God and the world is not homogeneous, but heterogeneous. The world's relationship to God is a real one, as the world entirely depends on God. However, God's relationship to the world is a logical one created by our understanding. God does not depend on the world in any way. For instance, when we label God's creative relationship to the world as "creator," we are not establishing a real relationship from God to the world, but we're speaking of a logical, inverse relationship of the world, as a creation, to God. This heterogeneous relationship between God and the world hints at the unfathomability of the mystery of creation, God's transcendence, while this concept is free of contradiction, as it does not refer to the causality we experience in our world, but God's transcendent causality.

    For a theologian, the heterogeneous relationship is particularly important in solving the above dilemma. Regarding God's knowledge of the world, the eternalist approach is correct in a certain sense. However, correctly interpreted, this approach does not exclude the reality of changes. Changes and God's knowledge of them exist in two realms, infinitely distant from each other. While the world of changes entirely depends on God, God does not depend on this world in any way. The cause of creation is God's creative ideas and the choice of divine will. God fully knows himself, and this knowledge includes how a limited existence, different from God, is possible, modeled on divine perfection. The result of God's choice for one possibility is creation. Therefore, God did not need to step out of himself for our world to come into existence. Similarly, there's no need for any external influence or departure for God to comprehensively and minutely know this world. Things in the created world come into existence and perish, their attributes change. However, this does not mean, for example, that when something comes into existence, it appears as a new object in divine knowledge. The basis of God's timeless knowledge is not information about the objects of the world, but the eternal creative ideas. These ideas, however, are unchangeable, the history of the world is present in these ideas unalterably, even though this history is the history of changes. What happens in creation entirely depends on God's creative ideas, but the creative ideas do not depend on the events of the world in any way. God is not related to the events of the world, even though the events of the world entirely depend on him. The heterogeneity of the relationship between God and the world ensures that the reality of the world's changes and the unchangeability of God's knowledge about them do not contradict each other.

    For the theologian, lines of thought like the above are particularly important, because in the knowledge of divine transcendence, we can get a glimpse of God's unfathomable love, as a result of which the eternal Word became flesh, entered the changing world, and died for us, so that we would not perish.

  • Vidqun
    Vidqun

    Perhaps God works on percentages like the bookies? Say 70-30 they will become rebellious and disobey Him. There's a remote chance that they will remain faithful... Does God allow for the benefit of the doubt?

  • stan livedeath
    stan livedeath

    so why didnt god realise he had made a small mistake when he made Adam---when did god discover that men needed to have their foreskin cut off ?

  • MeanMrMustard
    MeanMrMustard
    And why would God be selective about applying his ability of forknowledge.

    In order to be selective, you first have to know.

    The WT gives an illustration of a guy watching a recorded game. He could know the ending, he just doesn't fast-forward to the end for a peek. The issue here is that we aren't talking about some cosmic VCR, separate from God - we are talking about God himself. God is the cosmic VCR.

    He would have to know everything before selecting not to know everything.

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze
    A better question might be why did god let a powerful angel known as Satan go to the Garden and tempt those weak human mortals ?

    The temptation to disobey God would eventually be insitgated by someone. It doesn't really matter who in my opinion. God allowed it because he loves us and wants to see us live free. It offered him the opportunity to place a certain value on human life by dramatically displaying the price of redemption that he was willing to pay.

    How much is something worth? Whatever someone is willing to pay for it. Many people bring objects to Antiques Roadshow thinking that their object only has modest value. When they learn THAT EXPERTS are willing to pay big money for it; it changes EVERYTHING.

    Since, we now know what we are worth, we now have context, a benchmark, a scale to see the enormity of what being made in the image of God really means:

    For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

    18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345

    Returning to the concept of God's omniscience and "foreknowledge", the key is that free will is not an absolute thing that even God cannot foresee. We can speak of "possibility" only from a human perspective because, from a divine perspective, there is only certainty, as God knows everything and cannot err.

    I can illustrate the matter by saying that from a human perspective, you drive a car that moves according to your control. From a divine perspective, under the route you have taken, there's a fixed track (akin to railway tracks) which coincides with the path you would otherwise follow. This may indeed seem unusual from a human perspective, but modern theoretical physics also produces similar peculiarities, which, although we find strange, are nonetheless true, see, for example, the general and special theories of relativity. Therefore, it's about the fact that with our finite human minds, we cannot imagine how our will can be both free AND infallibly foreknown by God - but that does not mean we should set aside one truth at the expense of the other, but only recognize the limits of our knowledge and accept this.

    The Watchtower says that God does not know everything in advance, only what He wants to know - this solution is faulty for several reasons, including that it would mean God deliberately did not want to know certain things in advance, but then how did He know which problems it would be better not to know in advance?

    So, regarding the questions about "could God have known..." etc., the answer, of course, is that yes, God COULD have done many things, but since He did not want a world order in which humans do not sin and there is no redemption, He did not create such a world. It's therefore more interesting for us to deal with this rather than theoretical possibilities.

    The Watchtower states that God is not omniscient, nor is He timeless according to their teachings. Because if His vision of events that appear as future events to created beings qualifies as FOREsight, then it seems that God exists in tandem with the timeline of created beings, just as a movie viewer sees the frames in time. Therefore, God is not all-knowing, but has the ability to foresee. It's almost as if I have a future magic ball that tells me the future, but I don't know the future from the ground up, I have to look into my magic ball, so God doesn't know the future either, but he has to focus on "well, let's see what WILL happen in 1753". Therefore, God - if he wants - can look up anything on the divine "Google", but he does not currently know everything.

    According to the Watchtower, this is necessary because if God knew things in advance, there would be no free will. Let's now disregard the fact that this is nonsense, because there will still be free will, just not in such a naively imagined absolute sense, but in a relative way from the divine viewpoint. However, the Watchtower, at least in theory, stands on the grounds of the Bible, and they can't explain everything away as they did with Revelation 1:7, so they have to know that God has a salvation plan, a prepared script, into which the human history will ultimately fit. According to them, God already ceased to "respect this 'absolute' free will of man" because He dared to look into the magic globe and check whether things will indeed happen as foreseen?

    So, the question still stands: if God doesn't foresee certain things because He doesn't want to foresee (since then He allegedly would not "respect" the "free will"), then how did He know which things are better not to know? So, we are back where we started.

    When we talk about divine omniscience and the divine plan of salvation, we must necessarily view things "from above", i.e., from the divine perspective, which is, of course, impossible to fully adopt. If God is absolutely holy, then He can only want evil (and indeed He does, because nothing happens without God's "consenting" will) to bring forth a greater good from it, not for itself.

    Augustine used the term FELIX CULPA in reference to the original sin. Look up this term. It roughly means "fortunate sin". But if we think deeply, Paul the Apostle doesn't phrase it very differently in Romans 5:20: "Where sin increased, grace abounded all the more". This initially sounds shocking, as from a human perspective the tragedy of the fall cuts to the quick, originating all that is wrong in this world. But all this evil, no matter how extraordinarily severe we feel it, can only be finite evil - not to mention that sin, evil, is never an independent principle in the dualistic sense, but a lack of being, a flaw. With this great, but still finite evil, God confronts infinite goodness, which He wants to bring to His chosen ones through a "winding" and obviously very painful path, from a human viewpoint. It's like when a parent tells their child: you'll get cotton candy after you've endured the roller coaster.

    Or another example: imagine an extremely winding, serpentine road, which is moreover of, say, Albanian or Moldovan quality. A small child sits next to the father, and at the end of the road they ask the boy: "were you scared?". The right answer: "I wasn't scared, because my father was driving!" Somehow, we should also be able to view all the evil that we have to go through in order to finally rest on His bosom. Of course, we are incapable of doing this on our own, this can only be achieved by divine grace.

    God indeed wanted man to eat from the tree, because what God does not want (at least in a permissive sense) does not happen: this is the essence of omnipotence. He wanted it, but didn't desire it. Wanting and desiring are not the same, even criminal law distinguishes between them. God's commands always express His desire, but His will manifests in the events that ultimately occur. For example, I don't desire to pay taxes, but in some sense, I do want to, because I end up doing it. It is the same with God: He doesn't desire evil, doesn't rejoice in it, but He wants it, because if He didn't, it wouldn't exist. He wants it because it fits into a complex divine salvation plan that is intended to unfold over time, which includes evil, which - I say it again - He doesn't desire but approves, because still this plan, this story of salvation, is the most optimal.

    For the above paragraph, some conceptual clarification is necessary. What I call desire here can also be called "will" in human terms, but it is actually only His predestining will that is truly a will, His desire, or proclaimed will is more of a call, command, or expectation, which resigns itself to sometimes not being fulfilled. But "God's will cannot fail" (at all, not just "temporarily"), so a scenario where the original parents do not sin was never God's (true) will. To a certain extent, God also wants sinful things; in the sense that we usually mention it in connection with predestination. Because God can want in a contributing way what He does not want morally. Murder is like this. God obviously does not want sin, but "contributes" in the specific crime, since He does not stop the murderer, He doesn't drop the murder weapon back into primeval chaos, but maintains both through continuous creation. Because God participates in all acts of free will. That's why the murdered martyr can say before his death: "Thy will be done."

    Therefore, my statement that "God did not desire the fall of man" merely means that He did not morally approve, did not "rejoice" in it (this is also anthropomorphism), did not have a positive attitude towards it, or the human sufferings that this fact caused for humanity as a whole. But He wanted it, and this will, which covers the entire story of salvation into a single infallible "script", is the only, true will, within which there is no assumption, but only certainty. We can only talk about "possibilities" from a purely human perspective, not considering God's being and attributes. In human terms, there is always a chance to convert, but if we just assume that God sees our actions and decisions infallibly (in advance), the term "possible" loses its meaning. In this approach, there is only certainty, although obviously only for God. Predestination tries to emphasize the viewpoint according to God, which doesn't deny, just relativizes the human viewpoint.

    So, God cannot be "blamed" for the sin in the sense that He should be "faulted" for it because God is holy and

    • what He wants is right
    • in this case, He didn't perform the evil personally (which would essentially be impossible), but foresaw and planned it as
    • part of a larger, infinite good-oriented salvation plan.
  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345

    http://www.standfortruthministries.com/pdf_articles/TheWatchtowerMisunderstandingofGod.pdf

    https://www.forananswer.org/Top_JW/JehovahWatchtower.htm

    https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/jehovahs-witnesses-and-the-watchtower-1180

    https://orthodoxchristiantheology.com/2014/12/07/refuting-the-jehovahs-witness-doctrine-of-selective-foreknowledge/

    http://daenglund.com/the-watchtower-rejects-biblical-authority-regarding-gods-foreknowledge/

    According to JW theology, the God is not inherently and actually omniscient, just has an "ability" to "foreknow", which he exercises "selectively" according to his will. This view was actually adopted by Jehovah's Witnesses from the Socinians, who believed that God's omniscience was limited to what was a necessary truth in the future (what would definitely happen) and did not apply to what was a contingent truth (what might happen). The Socinians believed that, if God knew every possible future, human free will was impossible and as such rejected the "hard" view of omniscience.

    I don't think JWs would be able to give up this "selective foreknowledge" Socinian approach to God's knowledge without radically changing their whole theology. In principle, they only wanted to "solve" the whole "predestination vs. free will" issue, which otherwise required an explicitly chiseled investigation, in such a cheap way, with one cut of the axe, but in fact this Socinian view has a much deeper significance for them.

    Because the JW view of "paradise on earth" and "two-class salvation" is derived from this very principle: God did not "foresee" that Adam and Eve would sin, and Christ's ransom sacrifice is practically aimed at restoring this Garden of Eden for humanity. So for this hypothetical "what if?" question is their whole theology is built on. If God is truly transcendent and omniscient, then from God's point of view there is no such thing as an "original purpose" to which the course of history should be redirected.

    Since I acquired a significant part of my theological knowledge and discussion method through a long-term religious debate with a thick-necked, stubborn Calvinist (who, I admit, could corner me more than once), I therefore know the related views relatively well. Although I did not become a Calvinist, I was quite convinced during these times that the existing Pelagian and Semi-Pelagian tendencies, often found in many naive believers, should be avoided. This Socinian view is downright absurd.

    He used to always say that every time this "but, but... my free will!" tantrum strikes us, we should just re-read the 9th chapter of the Epistle to the Romans.

    God perfectly knows everything that is outside of Himself, including the smallest and most hidden things, namely, the innermost world of free spiritual creatures (cardiognosis); and He knows everything before it happens, thus also future free decisions. This is a dogma, as evidenced by the ordinary teaching of the Church, and explicitly set forth by the First Vatican Council. Only materialists deny this and pagans distort it.

    According to Scripture,

    a) God cares for everything and therefore knows everything most precisely: "He counts the number of the stars; He calls them all by name." (Ps 147:4) "Who can number the sand of the sea, the drops of rain, or the days of eternity? Who can find out the height of heaven, the breadth of the earth, or the depth of the abyss?" (Sir 1:2; cf. Job 28:23–28) He has even numbered every hair of a person (Mt 10:30; cf. 6:26, Heb 4:13).

    b) God instantly knows the most hidden and secret things: The sin of the first parents is immediately known to Him; He hears Hagar in the wilderness, Eliezer in a foreign land (Gen 3:9, 8:21, 16, 24, 18, Ex 3:9). Later, it becomes almost a proverbial expression that God is the examiner and knower of hearts and kidneys: "And no creature is hidden from His sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account" (Heb 4:13, Jer 11:20, Prov 16:2, Job 11:11, 42:2, Sir 39:5, Lk 16:15, Acts 1:25, Rom 8:27, etc.).

    c) God knows the future: "The Lord God knew everything before He created it," (Sir 23:29; cf. 29:25, Is 46:10, Dan 13:42, Sir 8:8, etc.) including people's future thoughts (Ps 139, 94:11, Jn 6:64). Moreover, God's foresight distinctly sets Him apart from false gods, as elaborated in thematic and sublime turns in the second part of Isaiah: "Declare what is to come, and we will know that you are gods" (Is 41:23).

    Since the era of the apologists, the Church Fathers have been keenly and detailedly developing the argument from prophecy, and in opposition to paganism, with Augustine asserting, "He who does not know the future is clearly not God." Jerome says, "It is folly to see in God's majesty the knowledge of how many mosquitoes are born and die every moment"; but with this, he does not deny God's omniscience, which he also expressly teaches, but rather gives a somewhat sharp expression to the correct notion that God does not care for irrational animals in the same way as for humans.

    This doctrine can also be understood by reason:

    a) If there were something that God did not yet know, it would still be knowable to Him; therefore, He would still be capable in that regard. However, this contradicts His pure actuality. If God could increase in knowledge, He would no longer be infinitely perfect.

    b) God created the existing things, that is, with absolute autonomy, He provided every aspect of their existence: the content of existence with conception, the fact of existence with a willful act. Just as things would cease to exist if God's creative will no longer sustained them, so too would they cease to be understandable, that is, contentually determined beings if God were to cease their conception. Therefore, it is impossible for something to exist that God does not fully conceive or, in other words, does not perfectly know.

    Difficulty: If God knows future free actions in advance, they must occur, since God's knowledge cannot be deceived. However, if they must occur, they are no longer free. This has been a problem for many for a long time. Cicero (Divinat. daem. II cf. Aug. Civ. Dei V 9) and the Socinians, therefore, denied this knowledge of God, while the Stoics and fatalists denied human freedom.

    Solution: In the face of divine eternity, there is neither past nor future; everything is perpetually present before Him; eternity is equal to every moment of time and is with every point in time just as the center of a circle stands in the same relation to every point on the circumference. Consequently, God contemplates future things in the perpetual present of His eternity, and this contemplation influences their future occurrences no more than a lookout's observation influences the direction of a troop passing below. Just as our reminiscence does not alter or influence the past, so His foreknowledge does not influence the future (August. Lib. arbitr. III 4, 4; cf. Civ. Dei V 10; Boeth. Consol. phil. 5 pr. 3.). Therefore, it is correct to say: "Something does not happen because God knows it in advance, but because it happens, that is why He knows it."

    However, this solution only holds as long as we strictly consider divine knowledge, abstracting from divine will. In reality, however, God does not merely play an observant role with respect to future things; their existence is not independent of His will, which would then determine the divine intellect. How freedom can then be reconciled with this divine preordination is discussed in the context of divine cooperation. But these two truths stand unshaken: God knows the free future, and yet man has free will. Our understanding could fully reconcile these two truths only if we fully understood how God cooperates with creatures and what human freedom actually entails, or how it can coexist with divine causality. However, both exceed the capacity of the created mind.

    God knows all possibilities, whether they are realized or not. Scripture presents God as omniscient without any limitation; thus, it does not exclude possibilities from His knowledge. Even less so, because it attributes omnipotence to Him, which presupposes omniscience. We have furthermore seen that God knows everything before it comes into existence (Sir 23:29, Rom 4:17; cf. Mt 19:26, Jer 1:5); then, it is only possible.

    According to the Church Fathers, God created everything according to His eternal ideas; but His ideas concern not only actual but also possible things (August. Civ. Dei XI 10, 3.). It is not difficult to understand that

    a) if God did not know the possibilities, there would be a gap in His knowledge, which could at least be filled "in idea"; that is, in this respect, God would be in potentiality, which contradicts the reality of 'actus purus', or infinite perfection.

    b) According to the nomological argument, God is self-sufficient in understanding. In God, the content of existence and understanding coincide; His knowledge fully illuminates His nature, and therefore God knows Himself not only in His absolute reality but also knows that His absolute nature can be imitated through created existence in inexhaustible richness. But the imitability of God's nature outwardly is the world of possibilities.

    God also knows conditional future free actions. A conditional future free action (conditionate futurum, futuribile) is a free decision that never happens but would happen if a certain condition were fulfilled; for example, John would convert on his deathbed if he received a priest; Stephen would not become a wrongdoer if he embarked on a different path in life. These are not merely possible free decisions (mere possibility: John might or might not convert); nor are they simple future events, since the condition to which they are tied is not fulfilled.

    Scripture mentions several cases where God demonstrates knowledge of the conditional future: "He was taken away lest wickedness should alter his understanding" (Wis 4:11). When David learned that Saul was preparing to attack him in Keilah, he inquired of the Lord through the priest: Will Saul come down against Keilah, and if so, will the Keilahites surrender him to Saul? The Lord answered yes. David then fled, and when Saul learned of this, he did not march against Keilah (1 Sam 23:7-13). Christ says, "Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles had been performed in Tyre and Sidon which occurred in you, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. And you, Capernaum! ... if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day" (Mt 11:21–23; cf. Gen 11:6–8, 2 Kings 13:19, Jer 38:17, Ezek 3:6, Lk 10:13, 16:31, Acts 22:17).

    During the time of the Church Fathers, there were repeated non-Catholic attacks against theodicy in the name of divine foreknowledge of conditional future events. The Church Fathers never refuted these attacks by denying this knowledge but sought other solutions. For example, the Manicheans said: God knew that man would sin; why did He create him? Or why didn't He provide circumstances under which man would not have sinned? In the Pelagian debates, Saint Augustine himself discusses the question: Why didn't God take away all sinners (in the sense of Wisdom 4) before wickedness corrupted their minds? And when the Semi-Pelagians said that the baptism or non-baptism of infants occurs with regard to their foreseen conditional merits, the fathers did not deny God's relevant knowledge but objected to the conclusion.

    It can also be understood by reason that

    a) the events and actions of the conditional future are truly possible; therefore, they cannot be excluded from the scope of divine knowledge according to the previous proposition.

    b) God's knowledge can only be called complete if it penetrates not only the fruits but also the flowers and roots of creatures and events; true world governance is possible only based on such deep knowledge of creatures. – Therefore, the scope of divine knowledge is infinite; not only insofar as it primarily and specifically targets His self-knowledge towards the infinite, but also as it extends to possibilities.

    The world of possibilities spreads before the intellect as an unfathomable yet well-ordered boundless realm: infinitely many genus and species ideas, each with infinitely many possible combinations of types and individuals, with the endless possibilities of knowing and willing beings; the human mind reels at the thought of these infinite dimensions, which are faintly suggested by the concepts of transfinite numbers, infinite sets, sequences, and systems of infinite determinants, cf. Cf. August. Civ. Dei XI 10 XII 18; Thom I 14, 2; as far as God's knowledge concerning existing things is infinite when their number is actually finite, see Gent. I 70; Ver. 2, 9 ad 2. Lessius VI 2, 17.

    It is inconceivable that the divine world knowledge, relatively independent of the creative decisions, which signifies a new mode of knowledge, is not mediated by the object of knowledge; direct divine knowledge of the world cannot be anything other than knowledge caused by the world. This, however, contradicts the absolute nature of divine knowledge.

    Knowledge of the existing world, independent and distinct from God's creative decisions, cannot add any new element to the knowledge conveyed in the creative decision. This already includes every aspect of the created world's existence; no named reality, whether in terms of essence, existence, substance, or accident, would exist if it were not for God's conception and realization giving it existence. Thus, the existing world cannot tell God anything new. Knowledge from causes is more fundamental and thorough than knowledge from effects; the latter can only supplement the former for creatures, and the design engineer's implementation can only bring something new to his plan because he is not the complete cause of his creation (he does not supply the material, the physical laws; often, he is not capable of the technical execution). The same considerations apply to the question of the mediating medium for possible things. However, the mediating medium for the knowledge of future and conditional future free actions requires separate consideration.

    Divine knowledge is a unified, undivided act that encompasses everything knowable with the utmost intensity at once. Therefore, it does not involve a transition from potentiality to actuality, from lesser known to better known, from premise to conclusion, or generally from one piece of knowledge to another; in other words, divine knowledge is not discursive (August. Simplici. II qu. 2, 3; Thom I 14, 7 15; Gent. I 55–57).

    Consequently, God's knowledge is a single idea, which, however, equals the totality of the knowledge forms of all knowable realities; that is, it is of multiply infinite value. If there is no progression from subject to predicate, i.e., no judging knowledge in God, it does not follow that the excellence of this mode of knowledge is lacking in Him; only what constitutes imperfection in it, the discursive element, must be excluded (Aug. Civ. Dei XI 10; Trin. XV 14).

    God's knowledge is exhaustive: it embraces everything knowable to the degree of its knowability, without the obscuring and distorting influence of mediating or reflective mediums. Therefore, in God's knowledge, there are not first (even logically) goals as opposed to means, laws as opposed to individual cases, effects as opposed to causes, accidents as opposed to substances, or vice versa, but His unified and eternal understanding comprehensively and completely grasps everything at its root at once.

    In short, it can be said: God's knowledge is intuitive in the fullest sense of the word; that is, it is not symbolic or emblematic, like human knowledge, which is tied to signs (we think in words and argue in words), but it grasps the thing itself; it does not cling to appearances but opens to the essence; it is not merely observing, but creating; not progressive, but instantaneous.

    According to Genesis 2:17, God told Adam "in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die", not "IF you eat of it, THEN you shall surely die." According to 1 Peter 1:20 the Son was chosen as ransom before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1:4 likewise.

    From God's omniscience, it directly follows that God cannot not know anything. Moreover, this notion is flawed for the reason that God exists not in time but beyond time; thus, from His perspective, everything that happens in the created world essentially happens "all at once." If He knows what happens in the created world (and He does), then He knows everything that will ever happen in the created world. Therefore, if you thoroughly consider the JW's argument on this matter, it would significantly diminish God, as it metaphorically suggests that God was nervously biting His nails, anxious about whether the first human pair would sin, realistically hoping they would not. This is complete nonsense.

    God's omniscience is not His exclusive attribute, but it is an unalterable, inherent attribute. To put it more profanely: because He is God, He knows everything. But the definition can also be reversed: anyone who does not know everything is not God. For instance, I would consider God's love as a different type of attribute than omniscience. Translated, it means that it is inherent in God's nature to be omniscient, since anyone who does not know the future is clearly not God. However, conceptually, we could suppose a God who is not loving, like the Muslims' Allah, a rigorous, hard-hearted God. An unkind God would still be God, but an omniscient God would not be God. If God punishes, I wouldn't interpret it as God "balancing" between His attributes, picking this one out of His pocket, but rather, in His unchanging arrangement, punishment has its role, aiming for people to return to Him, the source of life.

    God does not merely foresee the future like a fortune-teller but is present at every point in time, including the future. God sees the future because what is uncertain future to us is present for Him, making the future as certain for God as the past. Thus, it follows that God knows the future, and yet humans have free will.Therefore, the objection brought up in this context can be refuted through mere logic. God's omniscience is as much an inherent attribute as it is inherent in human nature to have a heart, lungs, etc. If one did not have these, they would not be human. God is literally omniscient, and we can reverse the definition: nothing can exist that God does not know about. God cannot not know anything. Why? The answer is the same as to those amateur atheist "philosophers" questioning whether God can create a square circle. The answer is no, because God's omnipotence means He can do anything without limits, except what contains a conceptual contradiction. A God with any lack of knowledge about anything is a conceptual contradiction (paradox), just like a square circle. Therefore, God is incapable of not knowing something, just as He is incapable of non-existence, etc.

    According to the Jehovah's Witnesses, God had an "original plan" that He designed with the hope it would succeed, but it failed, and He was not even aware of its failure. However, logically considered, even according to the Watchtower, it's not God's original plan that ultimately materializes, because the original plan was for everything to remain without sin, thus we've taken a detour, which is not the same as the supposed "original plan." You admitted that God anticipated the possibility of the first parents sinning, therefore, while He cherished this so-called "original plan" at heart, He suspected it might not turn out that way. However, there is no uncertainty in God, only certainty. This means that even by your account, God was not completely ignorant about the fall into sin, but if He anticipated it from the start, wouldn't it be simpler to say that He knew it in advance? Is God such a being who needs to play two lottery tickets to hit the jackpot?

    In this process, among other things, the Jehovah's Witnesses relativize God's omniscience to a possibility, like deciding whether to take out and drink the coke in the fridge, and if so, when. However, God's omniscience does not stem from some optionally available prophetic ability but from His absolute and infinite reality, which conceptually transcends all created beings, naturally encompassing all dimensions (space, time) that organize our existence into limits, which do not exist for Him. They relativize God's supremacy, essentially implying covertly that God is somehow limited by a structure He created, specifically time. Think about it: before the created world was made, time did not exist, but God did not create the framework of time for Himself, such that now the clock starts ticking over Him too; this only applies to the created world. When we start talking about time in theology, it's useful to logically define the concept of time. The concept of time is nothing other than that time is the measure of change. That is, the passage of time measures the degree of change, just as a video recording consists of frames. And this is what the Bible says about God in this respect: "with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change." (James 1:17) Now, if time is the measure of change, it follows that in whom/which there is no change, time does not apply either. For God, every moment of the entire created world condenses into a single moment, a cosmic "now": for God, the fall into sin happened at the same time as the current moment. For God, there is no past, present, and future. He always has "today," there is no passage of time for Him, He is beyond time, so from His perspective, it makes no sense to talk about "foreseeing the future," because what is future for us is present for Him.This issue also points out how much better Thomism's approach is, that things must be derived "from above", we must proceed from the larger, more abstract categories down to the more concrete ones. Then, if we encounter apparent contradictions along the way, we have to find solutions. This is the deduction. All other metaphysical trends are fundamentally infected with nominalism, they do not start from abstract categories, and their epistemology is inductive.

    What did you start with? That we _feel_ that we are free, for example, if I want to raise my hand, I will. But when we deal with metaphysics, we think about the abstract category of existence, we have to do it in a non-inductive way, starting from our feelings

    Can we imagine that if God knew all along that I would raise my hand at this moment, then ultimately I had no real choice? Not from God's point of view, because from his point of view it makes no sense to talk about possibilities, only certainty. However, it made sense from my point of view, since I run my life path by making decisions.

    In my opinion, the scientific world, imbued with an immanent positivist philosophy, frequently suggests that everything is determined, there are no miracles, and there is no Omnipotence, and thus no divine Grace either. Everything is determined by atoms and their interactions, and this determinism renders not only sin meaningless but also every human act and indeed everything Human. The untenability of this view is evidenced to me by the fact that both psychological and anthropological theories repeatedly fail to describe or understand the whole person while forgetting even the mere assumption of the existence of God and human orientation towards God. For my part, I reject the principle of determinism and listen to God's free self-disclosure, as revealed about Himself and about man, his true nature, ultimate purpose, and the feasibility and path to this ultimate goal in Revelation.

    Furthermore, even without Revelation, humans are capable of recognizing the dignity and freedom of creation, which is most fully realized in the feeling of love. We exist, but since our existence is not the foundation of being, someone must have ordained us to this existence, meaning someone wanted us. If someone wanted our existence, it implies that they love. And since love is only complete and perfect when it occurs in proper dialogue and accordingly, from free will and freedom. God does not love us as we might love a doll, but rather, approximately, as we love our child when they cuddle up to us and call us father or mother.

    Human freedom fits perfectly within causality. Freedom does not lie in choosing or changing the effect but in choosing in the fulfillment of causes. That is, our freedom is not in whether adding one and one makes two or something else, but in whether we add or not. Every person is created for communion with God, hence there is an intrinsic or fundamental cause within humans that always directs towards God, and this is also the final cause. However, humans are simultaneously affected by other causes, potentially contrary to the fundamental cause. And here freedom comes into play; we can choose which cause will causally create the new form.

    What determines our decisions, we do not know (even the scientific world cannot calculate what will happen to or in a person an hour from now), but I am certain that our decisions are not predetermined. Of course, a decision is influenced by learned behavior, a person's current mood, and a thousand other reasons, but the decision itself can still be free. Since the resulting cause-and-effect event is never necessary but contingent, based on contingency. Brain activity is neither the cause nor the counterpart, but at most a condition of, for example, mental phenomena. We can command our desires, educate ourselves, make sacrifices, take up our cross, etc. This is precisely what Jesus wants to lead us to. Original sin wounded and weakened our will, and thus limited our freedom, but did not destroy it. Those who have undergone conversion could tell the most about this. We are slaves to our desires and inclinations, but Christ can lead us out of this bondage by showing the correct human nature and the true goal of humanity, because "the truth will set you free." Indeed, with our relationship to transcendence, infinity, and eternity, we can transcend physical determinisms.

    This achievement of the goal is aided by divine Providence. God created humans not only for salvation but also helps them achieve it. His omniscience indeed knows everything in advance, but this knowledge includes the foreknowledge of actions carried out by human free will. And He respects even our wrong decisions. But He stands at every person's heart and knocks (only rarely pounds) on its door. Thus, Providence (providentia) intervenes in the created world with two aspects regarding the individual and the world: it directs beings towards a purpose and enables, through cooperation, the realization of this goal. It does not govern in a way that excludes freedom from events, nor does it change the events of the world retrospectively (after a decision). Rather, based on His Omnipotence, the moments of creation unfold in such a way that they include the independent realizations of both natural and free causes. For example, Thomas Aquinas writes about prayer: "We do not pray to change the divine decree but to obtain what God has decided should be obtained through the mediation of prayer."

    If your question remains unclear and you are still confused, I suggest reading some neothomist (e.g., Maritain), but mostly personalist literature, or philosophy books that often discuss this question as well. Books by Mounier or Lacroix might provide a more professional and detailed answer.

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