For me, 1 Peter 4;6 "For this is why the gospel was
preached even to the DEAD, that though judged in
the flesh like men, they might live in the spirit like God."
Preach to the dead, how?
What was one of the most difficult Scripture for you to understand?
by jam 20 Replies latest watchtower scandals
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Genesis 30:37-39. This is just totally bizarre. Jacob wanted his herd to have stripes and speckles so what he thought could achieve this was that if he put a sheet with painted patterns in front of the animals when they mate, they will bear offspring with patterns... and guess what?? IT WORKED!! ok... how do they explain that??
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N.drew
Dear jam, it means not literally dead, but spiritually dead. Faith without works is dead.
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N.drew
Genesis 1:1 You think i'm kidding. I don't kid. Ooops! Sometimes I do. But i'm not kidding. I couldn't think of another one that wasn't funny.
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jam
Fade-away; I must agree, those veres are strange.
One wonder what is the Bible principal here.
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Chalam
Jam, you have surely come by they way of the WT and the often quoted phrase "the dead know nothing".
However, you won't see them quote it in context of the following verse and the the phrase "under the sun" which runs through the whole book.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6
New International Version (NIV)
5 For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even their name is forgotten.
6 Their love, their hate
and their jealousy have long since vanished;
never again will they have a part
in anything that happens under the sun.- Ecclesiastes 1:3
What do people gain from all their labors at which they toil under the sun?
Ecclesiastes 1:2-4 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 1 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 1:9
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing newunder the sun.
Ecclesiastes 1:8-10 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 1 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 1:14
I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.
Ecclesiastes 1:13-15 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 1 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 2:11
Yet when I surveyed all that my hands had done and what I had toiled to achieve, everything was meaningless, a chasing after the wind; nothing was gained under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 2:10-12 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 2 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 2:17
[ Toil Is Meaningless ] So I hated life, because the work that is done under the sun was grievous to me. All of it is meaningless, a chasing after the wind.
Ecclesiastes 2:16-18 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 2 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 2:18
I hated all the things I had toiled for under the sun, because I must leave them to the one who comes after me.
Ecclesiastes 2:17-19 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 2 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 2:19
And who knows whether that person will be wise or foolish? Yet they will have control over all the fruit of my toil into which I have poured my effort and skill under the sun. This too is meaningless.
Ecclesiastes 2:18-20 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 2 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 2:20
So my heart began to despair over all my toilsome labor under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 2:19-21 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 2 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 2:22
What do people get for all the toil and anxious striving with which they labor under the sun?
Ecclesiastes 2:21-23 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 2 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 3:16
And I saw something else under the sun: In the place of judgment—wickedness was there, in the place of justice—wickedness was there.
Ecclesiastes 3:15-17 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 3 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 4:1
[ Oppression, Toil, Friendlessness ] Again I looked and saw all the oppression that was taking place under the sun: I saw the tears of the oppressed— and they have no comforter; power was on the side of their oppressors— and they have no comforter.
Ecclesiastes 4:1-3 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 4 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 4:3
But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 4:2-4 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 4 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 4:7
Again I saw something meaningless under the sun:
Ecclesiastes 4:6-8 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 4 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 4:15
I saw that all who lived and walked under the sun followed the youth, the king’s successor.
Ecclesiastes 4:14-16 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 4 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 5:13
I have seen a grievous evil under the sun: wealth hoarded to the harm of its owners,
Ecclesiastes 5:12-14 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 5 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 5:18
This is what I have observed to be good: that it is appropriate for a person to eat, to drink and to find satisfaction in their toilsome labor under the sun during the few days of life God has given them—for this is their lot.
Ecclesiastes 5:17-19 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 5 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 6:1
I have seen another evil under the sun, and it weighs heavily on mankind:
Ecclesiastes 6:1-3 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 6 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 6:12
For who knows what is good for a person in life, during the few and meaningless days they pass through like a shadow? Who can tell them what will happen under the sun after they are gone?
Ecclesiastes 6:11-12 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 6 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 8:9
All this I saw, as I applied my mind to everything done under the sun. There is a time when a man lords it over others to his own hurt.
Ecclesiastes 8:8-10 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 8 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 8:15
So I commend the enjoyment of life, because there is nothing better for a person under the sun than to eat and drink and be glad. Then joy will accompany them in their toil all the days of the life God has given them under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 8:14-16 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 8 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 8:17
then I saw all that God has done. No one can comprehend what goes on under the sun. Despite all their efforts to search it out, no one can discover its meaning. Even if the wise claim they know, they cannot really comprehend it.
Ecclesiastes 8:16-17 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 8 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 9:3
This is the evil in everything that happens under the sun: The same destiny overtakes all. The hearts of people, moreover, are full of evil and there is madness in their hearts while they live, and afterward they join the dead.
Ecclesiastes 9:2-4 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 9 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 9:6
Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-7 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 9 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 9:9
Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love, all the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun—all your meaningless days. For this is your lot in life and in your toilsome labor under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 9:8-10 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 9 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 9:11
I have seen something else under the sun: The race is not to the swift or the battle to the strong, nor does food come to the wise or wealth to the brilliant or favor to the learned; but time and chance happen to them all.
Ecclesiastes 9:10-12 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 9 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 9:13
[ Wisdom Better Than Folly ] I also saw under the sun this example of wisdom that greatly impressed me:
Ecclesiastes 9:12-14 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 9 (Whole Chapter) - Ecclesiastes 10:5
There is an evil I have seen under the sun, the sort of error that arises from a ruler:
Ecclesiastes 10:4-6 (in Context) Ecclesiastes 10 (Whole Chapter)
Understand the phrase and you will see right through the WT lie concerning the dead.
Clearly the WT hot foot over the huge numbers of verses which speak of the dead speaking, them being present with Jesus or else in eternal torement.
Nothing is easy to understand after studying with the WT. You need to wipe the slate clean and start with a new tutor, see John 14
Stephen
- Ecclesiastes 1:3
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MrDarkKnight
Matthew 24:45 - I still don't know what it really means.
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jam
Chalam; Yes, I think you call it deprogram. That,s why
that scripture was hard to understand.
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N.drew
What if you imagine Jaheshua is the slave and the master is Jah? People have misunderstood that verse 48 (the evil slave) has to be someone who was in the same place as the slave in verse 45 but it doesn't say that. Verse 45 asks the question "who?" I think it means we should "get to know" him, not identify him, and verse 48 says that slave like the spirit is pointing in another direction. (we now know it is the one who took over the faithful one's place). http://concordances.org/greek/1565.htm
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Chalam
Indeed, only the WT make Matthew 24:45 confusing.
Strange how they aren't mentioned by Luke in the very same parable, even in their own bible?!
NWT Luke 12:42 And the Lord said: “Who really is the faithful steward, the discreet one, whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time?
Read both accounts of the parable and the message is clearly has nothing to do with a man made organization but rather an eternal truth regarding the Kingdom of God.
Stephen