Got my reply from the UK charities commission...

by oldlightnewshite 26 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Little Imp
    Little Imp

    That is true Wobble. My husband has just been asked to carry out charitable visits for the large corporation for whom he worked for 26 years. This will involve visiting elderly people who have retired. In the information he has been provided with is a sentence he needs to run past his car insurer to ensure that he is covered whilst carrying out these visits.

    The visits will only be two or three times a year but nevertheless the car insurers have to be told.

    I studied law and was taught that a contract of insurance is a contract of utmost good faith. The onus is therefore on the person seeking cover to divulge every piece of information required. Faillure to do so would mean that the cover could be rescinded in the event of an incident occuring whilst the car is being used for something which wasn't mentioned.

  • Listener
    Listener

    Here's a letter submitted by the WTBTS in Australia requesting charitable status. They were not approved. I think it was written by Vincent Toole (or his office) as it includes his email address. The funny thing is that they were arguing that religion and charity go basically hand in hand. Although not much charity work is specified the claim is that they teach their followers how to look after themselves and are providing charity by doing this.

    INQUIRY INTO THE DEFINITION OF CHARITIES AND RELATED ORGANISATIONS

    A Submission by

    the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia

    on behalf of

    Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia

    February, 2001

    Table of Contents

    Who Are Jehovah’s Witnesses? ........................................................................................ 4

    The Public Ministry ....................................................................................................... 4

    The Internal Ministry .................................................................................................... 4

    Disaster Relief and Church Construction Program ....................................................... 5

    Funding the Society’s Activities ................................................................................... 5

    The Purposes and Practice of Christian Religion and “Charity” Are Inseparable ............ 5

    Overseas Definitions of Charity ....................................................................................... 7

    Issues Regarding Definitions Used in Australia Compared to Other Countries .............. 8

    Conclusion ........................................................................................................................ 8

    Who Are Jehovah’s Witnesses?

    Jehovah’s Witnesses are individual Christians who worship Jehovah, the supreme God of the universe and the Creator of it. ¾ Isaiah 43:10, 12; Psalm 83:18.

    The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia (the “Society”) is a not-for-profit religious organization registered under the New South Wales Companies Act 1961 as a company limited by guarantee. It is the legally registered body that acts on behalf of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia. The objects of the Society are set out in the attached Articles and Memorandum of Association.

    The primary attributes of the Witnesses and the Society are religious, charitable, educational, and community service oriented. Their activities are based on a love for God and their fellowman and can be divided into two main areas, the public ministry and the internal ministry.

    The Public Ministry

    The public ministry includes home visitation in the community. The Society produces Bible-based printed material for distribution without charge. These publications include magazines, pamphlets, tracts, and books containing religious and moral discussion based on Bible principles which are designed to uplift mankind. They incorporate up-to-date medical, scientific, social, and educational information that addresses real-life problems. Bible studies are conducted on a regular basis with those in the community who desire to get to understand the Bible and how the principles it contains can assist them in various areas of life, such as within the family. In this way, comfort and hope is provided to many in the community who are suffering distress or pressure. Help is also given to those wanting assistance in areas involving Christian ethics, such as maintaining honest conduct, strengthening marriage bonds and rearing children. Other persons may desire help to stop smoking, abusing drugs, or engaging in physical violence or to improve their moral and, at times, physical cleanness.

    The Internal Ministry

    The internal ministry involves assistance, training, education, and teaching provided to members of the various congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses by the Society and those it appoints as ministers and elders. This ministry includes regular Bible study and training for the public ministry through educational meetings which form part of the Witnesses’ program of worship; a school for those associating with the congregation to improve their reading, comprehension, and public speaking abilities; and schools for ministers of the congregation and for missionaries. It includes a “shepherding” program to assist those in the congregation who are suffering in any way from illness, unemployment, family problems, or various day-to-day problems which are a part of modern society. In addition, the Society has established a hospital liaison network service to support those who want to avoid blood transfusions by providing the most up-to-date medical information published from around the world to medical practitioners who are willing to accept such assistance in treating Jehovah’s Witnesses. This service has also assisted hospitals in learning about and adopting new and safer treatments that avoid or minimize the well-recognized dangers associated with blood transfusion therapy. In doing so, it has aided the medical profession to be of greater assistance to the general community.

    Disaster Relief and Church Construction Program

    Supporting the public and internal ministries is the Disaster Relief Fund and the church construction program, both of which are administered by the Society. Contributions received for disaster relief are used in times of major crises including cyclones, floods, fires, earthquakes, and other natural disasters. No public subscriptions are invited for this fund. Individuals willingly support this work of benevolence with no desire for recognition or reward. (Matthew 6:3) The church construction program is also financed by voluntary contributions of money, materials, and labour, with specialized teams of tradesmen devoting their personal time and resources on a volunteer basis to build or renovate Kingdom Halls (churches) for congregations in need.

    Funding the Society’s Activities

    Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Society do not carry on any commercial activities to raise funds or obtain support for any of their charitable activities. They rely solely on voluntary contributions which are, for the most part, made by members of the congregations. They believe that they ‘must love their neighbour as themselves’ and therefore have a moral and Scriptural obligation to help their fellowman.

    Donations to the Society are not tax-deductible, even when they are made for disaster relief or church building. We believe that more funds would be available if donations of reasonably large amounts “for the advancement of religion” were tax-deductible.

    The Purposes and Practice of Christian Religion and “Charity” Are Inseparable

    Real charity is both the “purpose” and the “nature” of the activities carried out by a Christian religion if it follows the example of Christ set forth in the Bible. Perhaps the best known Scriptural principle related to charity is recorded at 1 Corinthians 13:13:

    “And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.”—King James Version.

    This statement was made by an apostle to the early Christian church. However, in modern times, the word “charity” has assumed a related, but more limited, meaning. The Collins English Dictionary, Fourth Australian Edition, defines “charity” as—

    1a the giving of help, money, food, etc., to those in need.… 5 love of one’s fellow men.… from Latin caritas affection, love …”

    It is this first definition that is given emphasis today. So charity is usually associated with giving the “poor and needy” support in various forms such as money, food, clothing, or medical aid. It is in this limited sense, then, that “charity” can be separated from the Christian religion or can be isolated within the activities of a church. The fifth meaning given by Collins Dictionary is the meaning behind the Bible verse quoted above, for the word “charity” in that verse is translated from one of the Greek words for love, “agape.” [1] In fact, many modern translations render this Bible verse as follows:

    “In a word, there are three things that last forever: faith, hope, and love; but the greatest of them all is love.” ¾ The New English Bible. [2]

    The meaning of the word “agape” extends beyond the love shown to family, friends, or marriage mate. According to James Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible (1890, pp. 75, 76), agape—

    “ ¼ is wider, embracing espec. the judgment and the deliberate assent of the will as a matter of principle, duty and propriety ¼ .”

    Therefore, the “charity” of the Christian religion includes, but extends beyond, giving to the poor and needy by means of the provision of money, clothing, food, medical attention, and other material help. It encompasses a general compassion for other people, including a stranger and even an enemy. (Luke 6:27-29) This compassion prompts deliberate acts of goodwill on the part of a Christian toward another. It may, or may not, include assistance to the poor and needy by means of gifts of material possessions, but it is exercised for the good of the other person or a community of persons. It can include providing encouragement, advice, and counsel, giving hope, or showing kindness. For example, a depressed person is often better aided by words of encouragement than by a material gift, and a person in financial difficulties could be more lastingly assisted by guidance in managing their financial affairs than they would be by a temporary boost to their bank account. The person or organization who provides that guidance out of a sense of Christian love is no less a sharer in the chain of charitable actions than the one who freely gives a monetary gift.

    It is impossible in these circumstances to divide charitable works from the true practice of religion. [3] An organization established for “the advancement of religion” is, in and of itself, giving both to the individual and to the community. If the church’s primary purpose is to uplift the morals of individuals comprising a community; if it teaches and promotes higher standards; if it assists couples to improve marital relationships; if it helps youths and others to have a purpose in life, to act responsibly, to pay their debts, to live morally, to avoid drugs, to resist smoking, to stop stealing, to avoid lying; and if it teaches people to be peaceable, then surely these charitable purposes and actions directed at preventing the problem rather than at the results of the problem are of great benefit to the community.

    The charitable activities of Jehovah’s Witnesses in this regard have been recognized by various authorities in different parts of the world. For example, A.I. Antonov, head of the Department of Family Sociology at the Lomonosov Moscow State University, and three other scholars wrote in their expert opinion submitted to the Golovinsky court:

    “The literature of the religious association of Jehovah’s Witnesses encourages its readers to strengthen family unity, highly value marriage, family, children, paternity and maternity, accept one’s mutual responsibility as parents, children, and all family members.”—Conclusion on the Results of a Research of Publications of Religious Association of Jehovah’s Witnesses, Institute of Religion and Law, Moscow, March 1998.

    A survey of 126,966 people, conducted in Germany, found that 80 percent of those surveyed felt that their family life had improved because of applying the Bible-based teachings found in the publications of Jehovah’s Witnesses. [4] In addition, an independent survey conducted in France in 1998 found that “98 percent of Jehovah’s Witnesses consider that their faith has led them to a rather harmonious life and to the respect of laws.” [5]

    Overseas Definitions of Charity

    In harmony with what is set out in the Issues Paper concerning the definition of charity, Lord Macnaghten, in Commissioner for Special Purposes of Income Tax v Pemsel [1891] AC 531, identified the four classes of charity as: (1) the relief of poverty; (2) the advancement of education; (3) the advancement of religion; and (4) other purposes beneficial to the community. The use of the term “other” assumes that “education” and “religion” are beneficial to the community. In general terms, Lord Macnaghten’s four-class characterization of activities considered charitable has been adopted throughout the common law world.

    As the Issues Paper also mentions, a charity must provide some public benefit. The publications of the British Charity Commission define “public benefit” as “for the benefit of the community (or a significant section of it).” At paragraph 30 of CC21 Starting and Registering a Charity, the commission states: “There is a general assumption that the advancement of religion is for the public benefit.” [6]

    Section 501(c)(3) of the United States Internal RevenueCode,in addition to the relief of poverty and the advancement of religion, education, or science, includes in its definition of “charity” for tax-exempt status the erection or maintenance of public buildings, monuments, or works; lessening the burden of government; lessening of neighbourhood tensions; elimination of prejudice and discrimination; defence of human and civil rights secured by law; and combating community deterioration and juvenile delinquency.

    Issues Regarding Definitions Used in Australia Compared to Other Countries

    The Society is not an international organization having branches in other countries. However, Jehovah’s Witnesses are worldwide, and a different not-for-profit organization is registered in each country. The structures of these corporations vary according to the laws applying in each country. In some countries, such as the United States of America and New Zealand, donors to our religious organizations are exempt from gift duty and may claim tax deductions for donations made to the church.

    In some countries, we are limited by the fact that funds received cannot be distributed to another country, thus preventing an international support arrangement. Although this has, at times, proven to be inconvenient, it has not unduly hampered our work.

    Conclusion

    It is our submission that the common law definition of charity should be retained in Australia just as it has been in most common law jurisdictions.


    [1] See Webster’s Third New International Dictionary, unabridged, which gives the primary meaning of “charity” as “Christian love ¼ love of fellow men.”

    [2] See also the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures.

    [3] Except where the benefit has no public element such as the establishment of a closed order whose members are not involved with the community.

    [4] The Watchtower, July 1, 1998, p.4.

    [5] Survey conducted by SOFRES, ref. MHI-MNV 98-204, October 1998, p.9.

    [6] For additional information see web site: www.charity-commission.gov.uk/cc2l.htm

  • wobble
    wobble

    Dear Listener, so the WT are not a registered charity in Oz ? what were the reasons for refusal ???

  • oldlightnewshite
    oldlightnewshite

    Hi, Yeah, I did point out to them that the Watchtower doesn't actually do any charitable works, in the way that most people would define it. I said that their fundraising paid for the printing of cultish drivel. I said that they don't actually do any good works in the community, other than recruitment, which isn't a good work, as it benefits nobody.

    I suppose I could start a religion and call it 'Muslim brotherhood against the Kuffar infidel'. By their definition, the mere fact that it would obviously be a religious organization would merit tax breaks. Good old Blighty, eh?

    My fellow apostates, we need to be more vocal. Recently in Italy a group of ex-Jovos demonstrated outside parliament complaining about the treatment of disfellowshipped ones, and that the WTB$ splits families.

    Maybe most ex-JWs just feel idiots publicly proclaiming that they used to be in a messed-up cult...

  • ThomasCovenant
    ThomasCovenant

    What is the benefit to the Watchtower to have every congregation registered as a charity?

  • St George of England
    St George of England

    There is little chance of getting the WTS removed from the Charity Commission list, regardless of how we feel about their lack of Charitable works.

    There are hundreds of 'charities' that are no benefit to the community but claim the tax benefits of being registered. Two high profile charities have been documented on TV in recent years, The London Marathon and a Lancashire property company (cant't remember its name).

    George

  • St George of England
    St George of England
    What is the benefit to the Watchtower to have every congregation registered as a charity?

    They can claim back tax on donations made via Gift Aid, they do not pay tax on donations, exempt from Council Tax.

    From next year more tax refunds without need for Gift Aid.

    What about you guys in Scotland? The Charity Commission only applies to England and Wales.

    George

  • Listener
    Listener

    Sorry Wobble I wasn't very accurate. They are recognized as a charitable organization but they do not have gift recipient deductibility status. Their charity status does give them some tax breaks but the most beneficial one is gift recipient deductibilily. If they had this status then anyone donating more the $2 to them would be able to claim a tax deduction in their own tax returns for the amount they donated. Oldlightnewshite's last post above pretty much sums up the situation. But if the WTBTS did do real charitable work then they would most likely have gained this gift recipient status.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    Not only Al Capone but just about every Mafiosa in prison. Proving murder beyond a reasonable doubt is difficult. Once you reach a certain amount of income, the tax laws are so complex, just about everyone commits a mistake.

    I am curious as to how precisely "religion" is defined in the State and Great Britain. In the United States, avoiding government entanglement in religion is a major concern. Yet that fundamentalist Mormon is sitting in prison. Pedophilia by neutral standards was part of the religion. Yet the religion has not been sanctioned. I strongly believe the mothers of the girls should sit in prison, too.

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    Mentally Diseased Apostates are accused of starting our own religion and trying to draw others away after ourselves, right?

    LETS GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT!

    Seriously. Register a new faith called the MDA as a religion and charitible organization. If the Unitarian Universalists can be a religion without any specific enforcement of any specific god, then so can the MDA.

    I would love for it to be a formal mockery of the Watchtower religion and its hierarchy, with "branches" and "districts" and "circuits" and the whole nine yards. Of course, it would ultimately be about freedom so nobody "in charge" would actually hold any authority other than the responsibility to maintain the paperwork necessary to continue as a religion/charity.

    Please somebody do this. I have the need to join something.

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