Dearest BOTR... peace to you and please do not take my comments the wrong way: I am NOT intending to content or "argue" with you; however, you've asked some interesting questions and made some intriguing statements and I would like to respond. This is NOT an attack on you, but merely an attempt to clarify some things and I offer them in the same spirit as did Priscilla and Aquila to Apollos:
Do they teach that the 144,000 ruling with Jesus in heaven that had to be reached a long time ago were do disloyal in heaven that they were kicked out?
If so, they are dead wrong, on several grounds. First, the 144,000 do not rule with Christ in heaven. They rule with him UPON THE EARTH. AND they rule with him along with the "great crowd." They initially GO to the spirit realm, yes, to be joined IN MARRIAGE to the Lamb; however, once that ceremony has taken place... "New Jerusalem" (the "city" and temple of God that these constitute)... comes down OUT of heaven... to the earth. At that time, the "sheep" are granted entry into her (by means of being "separated" from the "goats")... for the marriage FEAST. Some imposters manage to "get in"... by appearing to have on "marriage garments" - love. Because they pretend to have "clothed" themselves with such. But their true NAKEDNESS is revealed when, while at the marriage feast they reveal that they do NOT have love... for all. I posted that vision here some time ago and may related it again one day... but not during this thread, if that's okay.
Christ is supposed to have power, not Satan. Satan is not a co-ruler. He is subordinate. Jews don't conceive of Satan the same way we do. They are not bothered by Satan because only God is God. Satan cannot be God. End of debate.
All of this is true; however, some ARE kicked out "into the darkness outside." This hasn't occurred, yet, though, so IF the WTBTS is teaching what you ask... it is wrong. It is the marriage feast that some are kicked out of and the feast doesn't take place until after the marriage, which doesn't take place until New Jerusalem comes down out of the spirit realm, which doesn't take place until after the marriage... which doesn't take place until my Lord returns. Which doesn't take place until AFTER the "tribulation" has ended. Which tribulation has not even occurred, yet.
Even as a child, I could not believe that Jesus would have two tiers of humans. The anointed's self-selection reminds me of Pilgrim and Puritan predestinated. The concept of an elect is not present in the gospels that I recall.
NO anointed person self-selects, although many false christs make the claim. It is God who chooses, through Christ, by means of holy spirit. The one so chosen has absolutely NO say so or involvement; however, they also cannot DENY that choosing, once it occurs. Well, they can... but it doesn't go well with them when they do. Usually, the end result is suicide (which, BTW, is NOT an "unforgivable" sin).
There is an "elect," per se. These are those "elected"... or "chosen" to be members of the Body of Christ. Thus, those who actually ARE "in union with Christ" are the elect. This would constitute the entire Body, both the 144,000 from among the sons of Israel AND the great crowd; however, that is NOT the elect, as the Apostles and disciples meant. From their point of view, the "elect" were the "holy ones"... which would ONLY be the 12... and those other "apostles" who either walked directly with Christ... or were related to him by blood (i.e., James, Jude, the "older" men, etc.). Since all those "in union" with Christ constitute God's "holy nation," however, all could be said to "holy ones" and thus, the "elect."
Knowing the anointed as earthly humans should dash any thoughts that they are better or unique.
Okkaayyyyy??? And if one ever says, insinuates, or even intimates that they ARE better or unique... they are either imposters... or in danger of losing such choosing. Because it is those who KNOW they must be the LEAST among men, not the greatest... who must SERVE... not BE served... who are really the chosen ones, insofar as they make up the holy nation of kings and priests. But the "sheep" (that are separated from the "goats") are ultimately chosen, as well...
The problem I see with the elect is that the individual determines it.
Then such one is not of the elect. One cannot give oneself holy spirit, dear one. True, one can grant it to others... but one must have received it from another, either from Christ, the Holy Spirit... or by his permission. And just SAYING so... doesn't MAKE it so. Unfortunately, though, because we all reside in vessels of FLESH... which vessels HIDE what we truly ARE on the INSIDE... it's not always easy to know/tell. Unless one HAS received that holy spirit... because it is also "eyesalve"... and opens the eyes of the [formerly] blind.
Someone with a huge ego and self-importance is going to think that they are anointed. Humble ones will not think they are worthy enough.
Sorry, but this is inaccurate. A humble one will actually KNOW, yes, that he/she is not worthy, yes. But they will also know that they've been anointed... and won't hide that truth... because it IS the truth. In fact, it is because of humility that some will openly profess it, even knowing the fallout, ridicule, persecution... and in some instances death... that they will receive as a result. Moses was meek and a humble man. Yet, he knew he was anointed. David was, for the most part, a humble man. Yet, he knew he was anointed. Christ... the fulfillment of humility. Yet, he knew he was anointed. Some of the Apostles were humble, some not so much. Stephen was humble... yet, he knew he was anointed. ALL were humble... yet, knew they were anointed. It was their humility, however, that ALLOWED them to stand up and be "counted" as it were... and speak/do what they were given... even if it meant unpopularity... even death.
And, of course, some very UNhumble people were anointed (King Saul, Saul of Tarsus, Ananias, Peter, and more).
When have humans had the ability to judge another's worthiness before God?
I know you don't see this, but your statement above actually does just that. YOU have decided, by your statement, what kind of ego and sense of self one who believes they are anointed will have... and one who is "humble" will not have. When neither are deciding factors. MERCY... and one's faith (even if one lacks humility or, like Paul, has a super-hyper ego and over-indulgent sense of self-importance)... are the deciding factors.
Again, I am not trying to fight or argue with you, but only expound the way of these things... more accurately to you. I hope you can receive that.
Peace to you!
YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,