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    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 08-28-11 WT Study (JUNE 15, 2011, pages 24-28)(REGARD)

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    “Have regard for those who are working hard among you

    and presiding over you in the Lord and admonishing you.”—1 THESS. 5:12.


    Why is “presiding” appropriate here when the rank and file are involved. Yes, elders cannot preside over each other, only the lowly sheep.

    Is it all right for elders to yell their admonishment if it is “correct”?


    1, 2. (a) What was the situation of the Thessalonian

    congregation when Paul wrote his first letter to

    them? (b) What did Paul encourage the Thessalonians

    to do?

    IMAGINE yourself as a member of the first

    century Thessalonian congregation, one

    of the earliest to be established in Europe.

    The apostle Paul had spent considerable

    time building up the brothers there. He

    may have appointed older men to take the

    lead, as was the case in other congregations.

    (Acts 14:23) But after the congregation was

    formed, the Jews organized a mob to rid the

    city of Paul and Silas. The Christians who remained

    might have felt deserted, perhaps even fearful.


    So what does the average jw know about first century Christian history. Information from an organization that shows Christians going door to door with scrolls? What experience can a jw draw from where a CO stays weeks or months with a congregation? Rather the WTS has them visit from Tuesday night through Sunday afternoon. COs aren’t even scheduled to go out Wednesday evening or Sunday after the meetings. Where COs are transferred after 3 years so that they and the local jws do not get too attached to each other.

    2 Understandably, after leaving Thessalonica,

    Paul was concerned about the fledgling

    congregation. He tried to return, but “Satan

    cut across” his path. So he sent Timothy to

    encourage the congregation. (1 Thess. 2:18;

    3:2) When Timothy brought back a good report,

    Paul was moved to write the Thessalonians

    a letter. Among other things, Paul encouraged

    them to ‘have regard for those who

    were presiding over them.’—Read 1 Thessalonians



    So do the COs who leave after 3 years, keep in touch with but a select few elders, usually those with a few bucks.

    Are COs encouraged to keep in touch with the congregations from 3, 6, 9 years before?

    3. What reasons did Thessalonian Christians have

    for giving extraordinary consideration to the older


    3 The brothers who were taking the lead

    among the Thessalonian Christians were

    not as experienced as Paul and his traveling

    companions; nor did they have the rich spiritual

    heritage of the elders in Jerusalem. After

    all, the congregation had existed for less

    than a year! Still, those in the congregation

    had reason to be grateful for their older

    men, who were “working hard” and “presiding

    over” the congregation and “admonishing”

    the brothers. Indeed, they had good

    reason to “give [the elders] more than extraordinary

    consideration in love.” This request

    was followed by Paul’s counsel to “be

    peaceable with one another.” If you had

    been there in Thessalonica, would you have

    shown deep appreciation for the elders’

    work? How do you view the “gifts in men”

    whom God through Christ has provided in

    your congregation?—Eph. 4:8.


    “brothers who were taking the lead” but not LEADERS

    How many congregations today have existed for less than a year but for the most part have split off from a long existing congregation?

    “working hard” means what?

    “presiding over” means what…above or superior to the rank and file?

    “admonishing” means what

    What extraordinary consideration have the elders show the sheep?

    “gifts in men” – are all elders gifts from God or Satan?

    God---Christ---WTS/FDS/GB---yes all things must come through the WTS even Christ and God, no direct contact without the organization

    “Working Hard”

    4, 5. Why was it hard work for the older men in

    Paul’s day to teach the congregation, and why is it

    that way today?

    4 After sending Paul and Silas to Beroea,

    how were the older men in Thessalonica

    “working hard”? Imitating Paul, they no

    doubt taught the congregation, using the

    Scriptures. ‘Did the Thessalonian Christians

    have appreciation for God’s Word?’ you may

    wonder. After all, the Bible says that the

    Beroeans were “more noble-minded than

    those in Thessalonica, . . . carefully examining

    the Scriptures daily.” (Acts 17:11) The

    comparison, however, was with the Thessalonian

    Jews in general, not with the Christians.

    Those who became believers ‘accepted

    God’s word, not as the word of men, but as

    the word of God.’ (1 Thess. 2:13) The older

    men must have worked hard to feed such

    ones spiritually.


    *** w81 2/15 18-19

    How shall we view the spiritual food provided by this "faithful and discreet slave"? Should it be viewed critically. Oh, well, it might be true but then again it might not be and so we have to scrutinize it very critically? Some apparently have felt that way about it. To support their way of thinking they have quoted Acts 17:11, which says of newly interested persons at Beroea : "Now the latter were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so."

    But does this mean that those Beroeans were looking for flaws in the message they were hearing, or that their attitude was one of doubting? Does this set a precedent for regarding critically the publications brought forth by the "faithful and discreet slave," with a view to finding fault? Not at all!

    First of all, let us note the setting of the statement about the noble-minded Beroeans. Paul, accompanied by Silas, was on his second missionary tour. Due to persecution that arose, the brothers at Thessalonica sent them on to Beroea. In Beroea they met sincere Jews who had strong faith in Gods Word. These were not Christians yet. They were simply interested persons who had to satisfy themselves that what Paul was telling them had the support of the Hebrew Scriptures.

    Up to this time, these devout Jews in Beroea may never have heard of Jesus Christ. What Paul was telling them was entirely new. So those noble-minded Jews in Beroea searched the Scriptures daily to make certain that the references that Paul gave were really part of Gods Word. And with what mental attitude did they pursue their studies? With a skeptical attitude, trying to prove Paul wrong? No, they were altogether unlike Paul’s critics on Mars Hill, for we read that they heard Paul’s testimony with "the greatest eagerness of mind." Acts 17:11, 32.

    These Beroeans listened with a readiness, yes, an eagerness, to believe. Thus not only were they open-minded, but they were wanting to have this "good news" proved true. In fact, for a person to acquire faith he must have "the will to believe." If he is determined not to believe, then no amount of evidence will convince him; for if a person looks for them he can always find excuses, plausible reasons for not accepting the accountability that belief will bring upon him. As the apostle Paul well said: "Faith is not a possession of all people." (2 Thess. 3:2) But the Beroeans had the will to believe. They considered what they heard with a receptive frame of mind. As a result, "many of them became believers, and so did not a few of the reputable Greek women and of the men." Acts 17:12.

    Jesus disciples wrote many letters to Christian congregations, to persons who were already in "the way of the truth." (2 Pet. 2:2) But nowhere do we read that those brothers first, in a skeptical frame of mind, checked the Scriptures to make certain that those letters had Scriptural backing, that the writers really knew what they were talking about.

    Yet here the WTS says:

    ***w81 2/15 27***

    11 Who, then, are the modern-day Philips that are safe guides? Those who believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God; who take it as a lamp to their feet and a light to their path; who neither add to it nor take away from it; who let God and his Word be true though they make every man a liar; and who expend themselves in publicly preaching this good news of the kingdom in all the earth as a witness. (2 Tim. 3:16; Ps. 119:105; Deut. 4:2; Rom. 3:4; Matt. 24:14) They use the Bible as their authority, and encourage their hearers to check up on them, not taking their word for it, but taking only Gods Word for it. (Acts 17:11) For you to make a name with God, you should aim to be such a faithful guide, "always ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope in you, but doing so together with a mild temper and deep respect." Or, as Paul said: "Know how you ought to give an answer to each one."1 Pet. 3:15; Col. 4:6.

    5 Today, the faithful and discreet slave

    class is providing God’s flock with “food at

    the proper time.” (Matt. 24:45) Under the

    slave’s direction, the local elders work hard

    to feed their brothers spiritually. Those in

    the congregation may have Bible-based literature

    in abundance, and in some languages

    such tools as the Watch Tower Publications

    Index and Watchtower Library on CD-ROM

    are available. To satisfy the congregation’s

    spiritual needs, the elders spend hours preparing

    meeting parts so that they can present

    the assigned information in a meaningful

    way. Have you thought about how much

    time the elders spend preparing their parts

    for meetings, assemblies, and conventions?


    But how does the FDS (rather the GB) know it is the proper time? How does God reveal it to them? Was it the proper time in 1929 to change the doctrine about the “superior authorities” from being the secular governments to God and Jesus because it helped them stay neutral, but in 1962 to change it back to secular governments? Was it the “proper time” in 1929 to tell members of the Watchtower information that was incorrect?

    What do/did the elders do when they say that the scriptures did not support this doctrine?

    Do elders spend hours preparing meeting parts? In my 45 years I saw elders do the preparation on the wing, in the car on the way to the meeting, or being told as they walked in the door that they had a part, spending time in the back room preparing while the school was being conducted? I knew of several elders that conducted book studies that had never even read the material, a week after week pattern.

    Why has the WTS provided questions for the parts in the service meeting when the elders in the past prepared their own…lack of preparation by those elders?

    The CO and DO put the elders on the line, making them rehearse for assemblies/conventions. But who makes sure the elders prepared for the meetings. How about the elder that told everyone that they were dressed well—a signal he had not prepared.

    6, 7. (a) What example did the older men in Thessalonica

    have in Paul? (b)Why might it be challenging

    for elders today to imitate Paul?

    6 The older men in Thessalonica remembered

    the fine example that Paul set in shepherding

    the flock. It was not a matter of his

    making calls in a mechanical or perfunctory

    way. As discussed in the preceding article,

    Paul “became gentle . . . , as when a nursing

    mother cherishes her own children.” (Read

    1 Thessalonians 2:7, 8.) He was even willing

    ‘to impart his own soul’! When shepherding,

    the older men were to be like him.


    “not a matter of his making calls in a mechanical or perfunctory way”—so did the elders make calls, did they make appointments or just drop by when it was convenient for them? Did they prepare or just drop a photocopy of an article on the table telling the sheep to read it.

    So does a mother only talk to or feed her child once a week, month, year? I knew elders that always called us to get the phone number and/or address of someone they had to contact, each and every time; were they too lazy to develop a list?

    Do you think if Jesus had appeared to today’s elders as he did Paul, they might be different—nah!

    7 Christian shepherds today imitate Paul

    by cherishing the flock. By nature, some

    sheep may not be warm and companionable.

    Still, the elders try to show insight and

    “find good” in them. (Prov. 16:20) True, being

    imperfect, an elder may struggle to have

    a positive view of each one. Yet, as he tries

    his best to be gentle toward all, should he

    not be commended for his effort to be a

    good shepherd under Christ?


    Should “imitate” but do they? Maybe a rare individual.

    Do they “find good” in the members? A positive view? Do the elders excuse the flaws of the sheep as they do their own?

    But when he is not gentle, positive, should he be commended? Excused as being imperfect though not excusing the rank and file the same way.

    8, 9. What are some ways that present-day elders

    ‘keep watch over our souls’?

    8 We all have reason to “be submissive” to

    the elders. As Paul wrote, ‘they are keeping

    watch over our souls.’ (Heb. 13:17) That expression

    reminds us of the literal shepherd

    who forgoes sleep in order to protect his

    flock. Likewise, the elders today may sacrifice

    some sleep while tending to the needs of

    those who have poor health or emotional or

    spiritual problems. For example, brothers

    on Hospital Liaison Committees have been

    awakened from sleep to respond to a medical

    crisis. Yet, when we face such a situation,

    how appreciative we are of their service!


    If they are keeping watch then be submissive, but if not keeping watch….

    MAY sacrifice sleep—remember the elders that when studying this kind of article would tell you not to call except at a convenient time for them…how many make appointments or just drop by unannounced, dressed in suits so you know it was not just unplanned?

    Do these same elders then complain to other elders about the nutcase that called them, or the ones that wake them up for things the elders figure could have waited?

    9 Elders on Regional Building Committees

    and relief committees work hard to help the

    brothers. They deserve our wholehearted

    support! Consider the relief effort after Cyclone

    Nargis hit Myanmar in 2008. To reach

    the Bothingone Congregation in the hard hit

    Irrawaddy Delta region, the relief team

    traveled through devastated terrain strewn

    with corpses. When the local brothers saw

    that the first relief team to reach Bothingone

    included their former circuit overseer, they

    cried out: “Look! It’s our circuit overseer! Jehovah

    has saved us!” Do you appreciate the

    hard work that the elders render day and

    night? Some elders are appointed to serve

    on special committees to handle difficult judicial

    problems. These elders do not brag

    about what they have accomplished; yet

    those who benefit from their service are really

    grateful.—Matt. 6:2-4.


    Do the efforts of a few caring jws equal caring by all jws?

    I realized that maybe one, maybe two elders out of a body of seven actually did any work, preparation, caring. The others just took credit for the efforts of these few. Isn’t it “bragging” to take credit for the work of others, making it seem to be your own?

    10. What lesser-known work do elders do?

    10 Many elders today also have paperwork

    to do. For example, the coordinator of

    the body of elders prepares the schedules

    for weekly meetings. The congregation secretary

    compiles the monthly and annual

    field service reports. The school overseer

    gives careful thought to the school schedule.

    Every three months, congregation account

    records are audited. The elders read letters

    from the branch office and apply the direction

    that helps maintain “the oneness in the

    faith.” (Eph. 4:3, 13) Through the efforts of

    such hardworking elders, “all things take

    place decently and by arrangement.”—1Cor.



    Actually, the schedules for the meetings are prepared by the WTS in the Kingdom Ministry for the congregation “bible” study (the paragraphs to be studied from a WTS BOOK); the themes of the school talks, the questions for the oral review, the talks for the service meeting (now even the questions are provided); and the weekly schedule for the WT in the WT itself. The COBOE (PO) only makes assignments of the brothers to handle those parts.

    Did you see how carefully the school overseer did not schedule the school? Teenagers scheduled for talks on marriage and masturbation? Sisters scheduled as householders with people they haven’t talked to for years? Sisters who had been put in the school by their elder husbands who don’t prepare or show up because they never wanted to be in the school (evidently the CO had said they should be and their husbands never consulted their wives or told the school overseer that their wives didn’t want to be in the school). The school overseer who knew someone went on vacation a certain time each year but still scheduled them and/or their family. The school overseer who personally felt someone should not be in the school and never scheduled them?

    The congregation secretary who knows someone has not been at the meetings for 3 months, has not contacted them about missing them at the meetings until they realize they have not turned in their time. How many jws knew that they would hear from the elders once a month to get their time, but no real concern. Jws are just numbers on a report to save the secretary’s **** when the CO came around. So what reports did Jesus prepare for God? What reports did the apostles prepare?

    The elders only read parts of the branch letters to the congregation and in some cases none of them. A non-letter from the branch was read to the elders about how taking a blood transfusion was no longer a disfellowshipping offense, but an act of disassociation.

    “Presiding Over You”

    11, 12. Who preside over the congregation, and

    what does doing so involve?

    11 Paul described the hardworking older

    men of Thessalonica as “presiding over”

    the congregation. The word in the original

    language implies “standing before” and

    can be rendered “directing; taking the lead

    among.” (1 Thess. 5:12; ftn.) Paul referred to

    the same elders as “working hard.” He was

    talking, not about one “presiding overseer,”

    but about all the older men in the congregation.

    Today, most elders stand before the

    congregation and conduct meetings. The recent

    adjustment to employ the designation

    “coordinator of the body of elders” helps us

    to view all the elders as members of a unified



    Notice that the WTS brings in the word “preside” because it is in the Bible. But the WTS said recently that the term “presiding overseer” had been changed to “coordinator of the body of elders” because presiding implied that the PO was over the other elders.

    So are the elders OVER the other jws? Are they superior in God’s eyes? Down below the WTS words are correct, but do they apply them, are the elders taught this and do they really believe it or do they see themselves as the “mighty men” worthy of “double honor” that others should be submissive to even when they are wrong? What about when elders are told by the CO that they have more holy spirit than the rank and file? Can you imagine anyone brother let alone sister saying the words in the December 15, 2000, WT?

    (Philippians 2:3) . . .doing nothing out of contentiousness or out of egotism, but with lowliness of mind considering that the others are superior to YOU,

    *** w99 1/15 pp. 23-24***

    Lowliness of mind will prevent you from adopting a superior attitude or tone. None of us have a basis for feeling superior to fellow believers. Every one of us falls short from time to time. Since you cannot read the heart, it is especially important not to judge the motives of the one you counsel. He may be innocent of any bad motive and unaware of any wrong attitude or actions.

    *** w00 12/15 p. 21 par. 7***

    Now, more so than before, are we able to see—even look for—ways in which others are superior? ‘I must admit that this sister is superior to me in being patient.’ ‘That one reflects a more optimistic faith.’ ‘Frankly, he is a better teacher than I am.’ ‘She is superior in controlling her temper.’

    12 “Presiding over” the congregation involves more

    than just teaching. The same expression

    is used at 1 Timothy 3:4. Paul said

    that an overseer should be “a man presiding

    over his own household in a fine manner,

    having children in subjection with all seriousness.”

    Here the expression “presiding

    over” obviously includes not only teaching

    his children but also taking the lead in the

    family and “having children in subjection.”

    Yes, elders take the lead in the congregation,

    helping all to be in subjection to Jehovah.

    —1 Tim. 3:5.


    Do the rank and file jws see “presiding” as “teaching.” Don’t elders see themselves as those who direct and control in the congregation? Doesn’t the WTS apply this “presiding” as having his household in control or being disqualified as an elder? So was “teaching” the application in 1 Timothy 3:4?

    *** w96 10/15 pp. 20-21 pars. 3-4***

    It would appear that in the first century C.E., the majority of Christian elders were married men with children. When Paul set out the qualifications required of a man “reaching out for an office of overseer,” he stated that such a Christian should be “a man presiding over his own household in a fine manner, having children in subjection with all seriousness.”—1 Timothy 3:1, 4.

    As we have seen, an overseer was not obliged to have children, or even be married. But if married, to qualify as an elder or a ministerial servant, a Christian had to exercise proper and loving headship over his wife and show himself capable of keeping his children in proper submission. (1 Corinthians 11:3; 1 Timothy 3:12, 13) Any serious weakness in managing his household would disqualify a brother for special privileges in the congregation. Why? Paul explains: “If indeed any man does not know how to preside over his own household, how will he take care of God’s congregation?” (1 Timothy 3:5) If those of his own flesh were unwilling to submit to his oversight, how would others react?

    13. Why might it take time to reach a decision at an

    elders’ meeting?

    13 In order to preside well over the flock,

    the elders discuss among themselves how to

    address the needs of the congregation. It

    might be more efficient if one elder made all

    the decisions. Yet, following the example of

    the first-century governing body, modern day

    bodies of elders discuss matters freely,

    seeking guidance from the Scriptures. Their

    goal is to apply Scriptural principles to the

    needs of the local congregation. This is most

    effective when each elder prepares for the elders’

    meetings, considering the Scriptures

    and the guidelines from the faithful and discreet

    slave class. Of course, this takes time.

    When there is a difference of opinion, as

    occurred when the first-century governing

    body considered the matter of circumcision,

    extra time and research might be needed to

    reach a consensus based on the Scriptures.

    —Acts 15:2, 6, 7, 12-14, 28.


    “modern day bodies of elders discuss matters freely, seeking guidance from the Scriptures”

    Is that how it really happens? Or do the elders use the elder’s manual and disregard brothers who want to use the Bible? Has that manual replaced the bible in the minds of many jw elders? I know it has from their own mouth. And in a similar incident, the WT conductor who asked the audience, “What do we base our beliefs on?” as he held up the Watchtower. The COBOE nearly choked as he thrust his hand in the air and grabbed the microphone to say, “the Bible.”

    Or the COBOE (PO) who told the elder body that, “It’s my way or the highway.” And the other elders sat there quietly without disagreeing.

    Consensus of opinion = majority vote, the minority then has to go along with the majority. This is what the WTS calls a unanimous agreement. (Acts 15:25)

    *** w06 5/1 pp. 19-20 par. 11***

    Once a Scripturally sound decision has been made by the body of elders, each elder yields to the direction of holy spirit by supporting that decision even if his personal opinion was not endorsed by the majority.

    14. Do you appreciate that the body of elders work

    together in unity? Why do you feel that way?

    14 What might happen if one elder insists

    on having his way or tries to promote his

    own ideas? Or what if someone—like Diotrephes

    in the first century—sows seeds of discord? (3 John 9, 10)

    The whole congregation will surely suffer.

    If Satan tried to upset the first-century

    congregation, we can be sure

    that he wants to disrupt the peace of the

    congregation today. He might appeal to selfish

    human tendencies, such as the desire for

    prominence. Thus, elders need to cultivate

    humility and work together as a unified

    body. How we appreciate the humility of the

    elders who do cooperate as a body!


    What about Paul and Peter and association with the Gentile Christians? Did Paul insist on having his way? Should Paul have “waited on Jehovah” or consulted the “governing body” (a phrase that is not in the Bible)?

    (Galatians 2:11-14) However, when Cephas came to Antioch, I resisted him face to face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before the arrival of certain men from James, he used to eat with people of the nations; but when they arrived, he went withdrawing and separating himself, in fear of those of the circumcised class. 13 The rest of the Jews also joined him in putting on this pretense, so that even Barnabas was led along with them in their pretense. 14 But when I saw they were not walking straight according to the truth of the good news, I said to Cephas before them all: “If you, though you are a Jew, live as the nations do, and not as Jews do, how is it that you are compelling people of the nations to live according to Jewish practice?”

    What scripture does the WTS connect to “stood condemned”?

    (Leviticus 19:17) “‘You must not hate your brother in your heart. You should by all means reprove your associate, that you may not bear sin along with him.

    Do you appreciate the many ways in which the elders shepherd the congregation?

    “Admonishing You”

    15. What motive do elders have when admonishing

    a brother or a sister?

    15 Paul then highlighted a difficult yet important

    task of the older men: admonishing

    the flock. In the Christian Greek Scriptures,

    only Paul used the Greek term translated

    “admonish.” It can refer to strong counsel

    but does not indicate hostility. (Acts 20:31;

    2 Thess. 3:15) For instance, Paul wrote to the

    Corinthians: “I am writing these things, not

    to shame you, but to admonish you as my

    beloved children.” (1 Cor. 4:14) His motive

    behind the admonition was loving concern

    for others.


    So when an elder counsels on hairdos, dress, car models, nail polish, hair dye, denim skirts, black shoes on the platform only, is that what Paul was talking about? What about the elders that only talk to the rank and file when the elder perceives they have done something “wrong”?

    *** w94 7/1 p. 26 par. 10***

    Traveling overseers and congregation elders will likewise endeavor to imitate Christ in the way he treated the sheep. Unlike the Pharisees, Jesus did not impose a lot of rules that were hard to follow.

    Actually the question should read, “what motive SHOULD elders have.” The WTS cannot have it both ways, elders that are imperfect yet ALL elders having good motives, even the anointed jws cannot read hearts, only God and Jesus per the WTS.

    16. Elders do well to keep what in mind when admonishing


    16 The elders bear in mind the importance

    of the manner in which they admonish others.

    They strive to imitate Paul by being

    kind, loving, and helpful. (Read 1 Thessalonians

    2:11, 12.) Of course, the elders ‘hold

    firmly to the faithful word so that they may

    be able to exhort by teaching that is healthful.’—

    Titus 1:5-9.


    I can’t even begin to tell all the times elders jumped to conclusions and approached me and people I knew about “sins” they committed, only to find out that with a little more research, they were mistaken. But no apologies….and certainly no attempt to correct the wrong information that had already been spread by wives and children, damaging reputations permanently.

    17, 18. What should you keep in mind if you receive

    admonition from an elder?

    17 Of course, elders are imperfect and may

    say things that they later regret. (1 Ki. 8:46;

    Jas. 3:8) Also, elders know that for spiritual

    brothers and sisters, receiving counsel is normally

    not ‘joyous but grievous.’ (Heb. 12:11)

    So when an elder approaches someone with

    words of admonition, he likely does so after

    giving the matter much consideration and

    praying over it. If you have been admonished,

    do you appreciate that elder’s loving



    Oh yes, “elders are imperfect and may say things that they later regret.”

    Where is the admonition to the elders that the sheep belong to Jesus and they have to answer to him for hurting them?

    Didn’t Jesus say that a Christian’s survival depended on how they treated his sheep? If elders do not treat the flock with tenderness, they are “oppressive wolves.”

    (Acts 20:29) I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among YOU and will not treat the flock with tenderness,

    18 Suppose you had a health problem that

    seemed medically inexplicable. Then a physician

    correctly identified the problem, but

    the diagnosis was rather hard to accept.

    Would you hold a grudge against that doctor?

    No! Even if he recommended an operation,

    You would likely agree to the treatment,

    believing it to be for your benefit. The way

    the doctor conveyed the information may

    have a bearing on your feelings, but would

    you let that determine your decision? Probably

    not. Likewise, do not allow the way you

    are admonished to prevent you from listening

    to those whom Jehovah and Jesus may be

    using to let you know how you can help or

    protect yourself spiritually.


    So this means it is the rank and file’s fault if the elder gives the “right” information but yells, demeans, and insults the sheep? Jesus said that the sheep would come to him willingly because they loved him, not because they feared him.

    MAY BE USING = first they attribute the right motive to all elders, now it’s MAY BE?

    And yes, if a doctor yelled at me, demeaned me, insulted my intelligence, why should I respect or believe in his skill and knowledge as a doctor?

    Did Jesus excuse the religious shepherds of his time for giving the “right” information in the “wrong” way?

    (Matthew 9:36) . . .On seeing the crowds he felt pity for them, because they were skinned and thrown about like sheep without a shepherd.

    (Matthew 23:1-4) . . .Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, saying: 2 “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses. 3 Therefore all the things they tell YOU, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but do not perform. 4 They bind up heavy loads and put them upon the shoulders of men, but they themselves are not willing to budge them with their finger.

    Appreciate Jehovah’s Provision of the Elders

    19, 20. How may you show appreciation for the

    “gifts in men”?

    19 What would you do if you received a

    gift especially made for you? Would you

    show your appreciation by using it? The

    “gifts in men” are what Jehovah through Jesus

    Christ has provided for you. One way

    you can show your gratitude for these gifts is

    by listening intently to talks given by the elders

    and by trying to apply the points they

    bring out. You can also show your appreciation

    by making meaningful comments at

    meetings. Support the work in which the elders

    are taking the lead, such as the field

    ministry. If you have benefited from counsel

    you received from a certain elder, why not

    tell him so? In addition, why not show your

    appreciation for the elders’ families? Remember,

    for an elder to work hard in the

    congregation, his family is sacrificing time

    spent with him.


    What about the elders that cover up the sins of other elders? Or the ones that cover up the sins of pedophiles in the congregation and the others that sit by and allow it? Or the elders who know their wives gossip and slander others reputations? Or the ones that associate with their disfellowshipped adult children under the guise of “necessary family business”? Or the ones that wait till the moment they walk out the door to do their parts thinking that their superior ability makes it special? Or the elders that lie to protect themselves or their buddies? Or the ones that stalk “suspected” sinning jws? Or the ones that say “it’s my way or the highway”? Or say that the WT is the basis of jw belief?

    Listening intently to talks—that show no skill, or preparation, for the 50 th time

    Making meaningful comments—that know elder will remember after he steps off the stage but certainly helps him look good because he did not prepare

    But if the counsel was not applicable………..

    What about the elder that does not want to be with his family, loves the adoration of some jws,

    Remember if elders say I never did those things, I’m willing to bet you knew someone or many who did and never said anything.

    20 Yes, we have ample reason to show gratitude

    for the elders, who are working hard

    among us, presiding over us, and admonishing

    us. These “gifts in men” are truly a loving

    provision from Jehovah!


    There may be a few who despite the examples they see on the body, are working hard, not trying to control us, waiting for serious things to help us with knowing that they too need help, but the shepherds trained by the WTS don’t begin to know the Jesus of the Bible.

    Do You Recall?

    What reasons did the Thessalonian

    Christians have to appreciate those

    taking the lead among them?

    How do the elders in your congregation

    work hard for you?

    How do you benefit from the elders’

    presiding over you?

    If given admonition by an elder, what

    should you keep in mind?


    Naughty jws, from this article it is apparent that they are not obeying the elders; and the elders are not obeying the WTS. What humans don’t see doesn’t count. And if God sees it, well, “he has left the land.”


    Are jws told lovingly or threatened with shunning and eternal death if they disobey the GB/FDS/WTS? Are they guided or told there is only one way to go?

    Love, Blondie

  • fokyc

    A brilliant honest appraisal of most Elders behaviour.

    Thank you Blondie.

  • Gorbatchov

    Great analyse. Blondie thanks for doing this so long. I read your opinion on the current WT every week. Please go on with it.


  • WTWizard

    This is a lame excuse of a comparison of what the early Christians supposedly did to run their congregations, and how the witlesses do today. Too many "may have's". Draw up a comparison for the first few paragraphs, and then describe what they want the witlesses to believe goes on in their own congregations--which usually doesn't work that way. And Paul would never have insisted that people abide by his doctrines even if they could prove them wrong with their own Bible, until Paul himself fixed it.

  • Open mind
    Open mind

    I don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about Blondie.


    *peeks head back in to say*

    Truth hurts. Excellent job as usual. You sure you weren't an elder?


  • blondie

    OM, I was an elderess (not the same as an elderette which implies a lesser version of an elder).

    I was the unofficial counselor to many elders who had no one to go to they felt was safe, not wives, not adult children, not other elders. I was telling my husband (an ex-elder) that my experence "counseling" elders reached back 40 years, 4 circuits, and 3 areas on earth. It is great that we have so many ex-elders and current elders on JWN. (BTW even COs "confessed" to me)

  • Open mind
    Open mind


    You're right, it doesn't sound quite as demeaning as Elderette. We had one sister in a former congregation who served in a similar capacity. It was always a bizarre verbal dance talking to her, especially as a newly appointed elder. I felt like I was a fresh recruit KGB agent and she was well-seasoned CIA, sort of. One the one hand, I possessed the superior genitalia, so technically we both knew where we stood as far as the official Org Chart pecking order goes. On the other hand, we both knew she had WAY more experience and knowledge than I did. For the most part, our hearts were in the right place but we both knew we were in a VERY disfunctional organization.

    Unfortunately, she's still in. Very wise, but married to an Uber-Elder.

    As I was reading your comments today, I couldn't help but think what it would be like if the back room full of elders and the CO were FORCED to listen to your comments and then make a meaningful reply. Just a fantasy, I know.

    Thanks again Blondie,


  • JW GoneBad
    JW GoneBad

    I see Blondie's Comments for 8-28-2011 Watchtower Study is fresh off the press and I say....................OH YeaaaH!

    Looking forward to reading your review.

  • cptkirk

    you really run the gamut dont you blondie. more power to you. i just have a question, what gives you the drive to pay attention to every single little detail constantly? dont you ever feel like, ok i think i've pretty much utterly exposed the idiocy of this religion? do you have any personal time? i find it amazing all these elders and some co's have confided in you, since you are female. (i'm not sexist , but most of those guys are to a degree) must of been partaking of the emblems, is the only way i can figure that would be possible. so in summation of your post, it would seem *nobody* is listening to directions in the grand organization of the true god? so surprising, they all seemed to sincere and loving too! i am shocked.

  • ziddina

    Yay!!! Blondie's article!!

    Unfortunately I must mark and run - my critters are bugging me - they're hungry...

    Will come back and read later.

    Thanks again, Blondie!!


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