Attention Governor Perry: Evolution is a fact - R. Dawkins

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  • unshackled
    unshackled

    The Washington Post published this Richard Dawkins response to Perry's evolution is "just a theory" comment. Refers to him as an "uneducated ignoramus" and doesn't spare the Republican party much either...

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-faith/post/attention-governor-perry-evolution-is-a-fact/2011/08/23/gIQAuIFUYJ_blog.html

    Q. Texas governor and GOP candidate Rick Perry, at a campaign event this week, told a boy that evolution is ”just a theory” with “gaps” and that in Texas they teach “both creationism and evolution.” Perry later added “God is how we got here.” According to a 2009 Gallup study, only 38 percent of Americans say they believe in evolution. If a majority of Americans are skeptical or unsure about evolution, should schools teach it as a mere “theory”? Why is evolution so threatening to religion?

    A. There is nothing unusual about Governor Rick Perry. Uneducated fools can be found in every country and every period of history, and they are not unknown in high office. What is unusual about today’s Republican party (I disavow the ridiculous ‘GOP’ nickname, because the party of Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt has lately forfeited all claim to be considered ‘grand’) is this: In any other party and in any other country, an individual may occasionally rise to the top in spite of being an uneducated ignoramus. In today’s Republican Party ‘in spite of’ is not the phrase we need. Ignorance and lack of education are positive qualifications, bordering on obligatory. Intellect, knowledge and linguistic mastery are mistrusted by Republican voters, who, when choosing a president, would apparently prefer someone like themselves over someone actually qualified for the job.

    Any other organization -- a big corporation, say, or a university, or a learned society - -when seeking a new leader, will go to immense trouble over the choice. The CVs of candidates and their portfolios of relevant experience are meticulously scrutinized, their publications are read by a learned committee, references are taken up and scrupulously discussed, the candidates are subjected to rigorous interviews and vetting procedures. Mistakes are still made, but not through lack of serious effort.

    The population of the United States is more than 300 million and it includes some of the best and brightest that the human species has to offer, probably more so than any other country in the world. There is surely something wrong with a system for choosing a leader when, given a pool of such talent and a process that occupies more than a year and consumes billions of dollars, what rises to the top of the heap is George W Bush. Or when the likes of Rick Perry or Michele Bachmann or Sarah Palin can be mentioned as even remote possibilities.

    A politician’s attitude to evolution is perhaps not directly important in itself. It can have unfortunate consequences on education and science policy but, compared to Perry’s and the Tea Party’s pronouncements on other topics such as economics, taxation, history and sexual politics, their ignorance of evolutionary science might be overlooked. Except that a politician’s attitude to evolution, however peripheral it might seem, is a surprisingly apposite litmus test of more general inadequacy. This is because unlike, say, string theory where scientific opinion is genuinely divided, there is about the fact of evolution no doubt at all. Evolution is a fact, as securely established as any in science, and he who denies it betrays woeful ignorance and lack of education, which likely extends to other fields as well. Evolution is not some recondite backwater of science, ignorance of which would be pardonable. It is the stunningly simple but elegant explanation of our very existence and the existence of every living creature on the planet. Thanks to Darwin, we now understand why we are here and why we are the way we are. You cannot be ignorant of evolution and be a cultivated and adequate citizen of today.

    Darwin’s idea is arguably the most powerful ever to occur to a human mind. The power of a scientific theory may be measured as a ratio: the number of facts that it explains divided by the number of assumptions it needs to postulate in order to do the explaining. A theory that assumes most of what it is trying to explain is a bad theory. That is why the creationist or ‘intelligent design’ theory is such a rotten theory.

    What any theory of life needs to explain is functional complexity. Complexity can be measured as statistical improbability, and living things are statistically improbable in a very particular direction: the direction of functional efficiency. The body of a bird is not just a prodigiously complicated machine, with its trillions of cells - each one in itself a marvel of miniaturized complexity - all conspiring together to make muscle or bone, kidney or brain. Its interlocking parts also conspire to make it good for something - in the case of most birds, good for flying. An aero-engineer is struck dumb with admiration for the bird as flying machine: its feathered flight-surfaces and ailerons sensitively adjusted in real time by the on-board computer which is the brain; the breast muscles, which are the engines, the ligaments, tendons and lightweight bony struts all exactly suited to the task. And the whole machine is immensely improbable in the sense that, if you randomly shook up the parts over and over again, never in a million years would they fall into the right shape to fly like a swallow, soar like a vulture, or ride the oceanic up-draughts like a wandering albatross. Any theory of life has to explain how the laws of physics can give rise to a complex flying machine like a bird or a bat or a pterosaur, a complex swimming machine like a tarpon or a dolphin, a complex burrowing machine like a mole, a complex climbing machine like a monkey, or a complex thinking machine like a person.

    Darwin explained all of this with one brilliantly simple idea - natural selection, driving gradual evolution over immensities of geological time. His is a good theory because of the huge ratio of what it explains (all the complexity of life) divided by what it needs to assume (simply the nonrandom survival of hereditary information through many generations). The rival theory to explain the functional complexity of life - creationism - is about as bad a theory as has ever been proposed. What it postulates (an intelligent designer) is even more complex, even more statistically improbable than what it explains. In fact it is such a bad theory it doesn’t deserve to be called a theory at all, and it certainly doesn’t deserve to be taught alongside evolution in science classes.

    The simplicity of Darwin’s idea, then, is a virtue for three reasons. First, and most important, it is the signature of its immense power as a theory, when compared with the mass of disparate facts that it explains - everything about life including our own existence. Second, it makes it easy for children to understand (in addition to the obvious virtue of being true!), which means that it could be taught in the early years of school. And finally, it makes it extremely beautiful, one of the most beautiful ideas anyone ever had as well as arguably the most powerful. To die in ignorance of its elegance, and power to explain our own existence, is a tragic loss, comparable to dying without ever having experienced great music, great literature, or a beautiful sunset.

    There are many reasons to vote against Rick Perry. His fatuous stance on the teaching of evolution in schools is perhaps not the first reason that springs to mind. But maybe it is the most telling litmus test of the other reasons, and it seems to apply not just to him but, lamentably, to all the likely contenders for the Republican nomination. The ‘evolution question’ deserves a prominent place in the list of questions put to candidates in interviews and public debates during the course of the coming election.

  • Terry
    Terry

    I have no affection either way for Perry or Evangelicals anymore than I do for the other side.

    Why? BOTH groups have weird and magical ignoramus beliefs they hold dear!

    How many Left leaning Democrats find Astrology believable?

    How many accept Feng Shui (moving your furniture around to "tune" the energy in your home)?

    How many believe in ghosts? ESP? How many think Sylvia Browne has advance knowledge?

    Being deliberately ignorant is a contagion that affects candidates of all persuasions.

    Ron Paul doesn't believe in Evolution because it "is a theory." Hasn't anybody explained what THEORY means in science?

    We are all polluted with superstition, folk myths, magical thinking and delusional convictions.

    If we don't equally point out this fact we are being intellectually dishonest in pointing out Rick Perry's idiocies.

    Oprah has done a lot of harm in using her program to publicly promote stupid beliefs like THE SECRET and she is a darned savvy lady who also does a lot of good.

  • Qcmbr
    Qcmbr

    This is beautiful prose. Right on the money.

    Why oh why do people love to cling to their stupidity? I shake my head in despair when I think of the US and how it seems to encourage foolish political behavior (to have a chance at getting the Republican vote you have to bow down to the evangelical wing) and there seems almost a fervour to 'prove' science wrong (be it global climate change influenced by mankind through gene research onto evolution) and replace it with magic.

  • Jack C.
    Jack C.

    The problem with Dawkins isn't his stand on evolution it's that his rediculous reductionist philosophy isn't really believed by anyone, himself included. His idea of first cause (ie god to us commoners) is the unseen, unknowable, unfathomable singularity that originates nowhere and ends up nowhere. His church is of the Pathagorean number cult who worship and offer holy sacrements to the almighty number as creator and manager of all that is known (look it up for yourself.) Dawkins reductionism has even sliced the number one into the singularity, the almighty nothing.

  • Qcmbr
    Qcmbr

    The only problem with Dawkins is that he isn't required reading on the national curriculum. Give the man a knighthood.

  • unshackled
    unshackled

    Terry, you make a good point that there are all kinds of nuttery that each side believes in. Though with varying degrees - believing the earth is only 10,000 years old is near the top of the nuttery charts. And if those lefty Dems were pushing to have Astrology and Feng Shui taught in the classroom, then that would be cause for alarm.

    Regarding Oprah...well I'm not much of a fan. Granted she does a lot of good, but as you mentioned pushing The Secret to her flock is asinine, if not irresponsible. Recently Oprah came up with some visiting family, and I mentioned how I didn't like that she dedicated 2 full shows rebuilding Tom Cruise's career after he revealed he was deranged on her show and his movie ticket sales went south. Two full shows, trotting out his Scientologist celebrity friends to talk about how great he is. It was pimpin' for Hollywood. I was surprised how fast and fervently they came to her defence, as if I had just insulted their Messiah.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Of all the people to reply, Dawkins was bt far the worse choice since his message will get lost under the "noise of his wake".

    But then Dawkins has never been shy of any opportunity for the spotlight, LOL !

    Francis Collins would have been a far better choice "explain" evolution to Perry.

    Or any other of the "theist evolutionists".

  • unshackled
    unshackled
    Of all the people to reply, Dawkins was bt far the worse choice since his message will get lost under the "noise of his wake".

    True PSac...far too many people will completely ignore what he says based on the name delivering it. Though, I'm sure the Washington Post doesn't mind the "noise of his wake" when it comes to readership and web traffic.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    When Dawkins speaks, people listen, one way or another.

    That much is true.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Vox Day express his view on the matter in his unique way. LOL !

    Wednesday, August 24, 2011

    Darwinist demands Darwinian litmus test

    In other news, Roger Clemens today announced that "throwing like a girl" should disqualify a politician from the presidency.

    A politician’s attitude to evolution is perhaps not directly important in itself. It can have unfortunate consequences on education and science policy but, compared to Perry’s and the Tea Party’s pronouncements on other topics such as economics, taxation, history and sexual politics, their ignorance of evolutionary science might be overlooked. Except that a politician’s attitude to evolution, however peripheral it might seem, is a surprisingly apposite litmus test of more general inadequacy. This is because unlike, say, string theory where scientific opinion is genuinely divided, there is about the fact of evolution no doubt at all. Evolution is a fact, as securely established as any in science, and he who denies it betrays woeful ignorance and lack of education, which likely extends to other fields as well. Evolution is not some recondite backwater of science, ignorance of which would be pardonable. It is the stunningly simple but elegant explanation of our very existence and the existence of every living creature on the planet. Thanks to Darwin, we now understand why we are here and why we are the way we are. You cannot be ignorant of evolution and be a cultivated and adequate citizen of today.

    Richard Dawkins again demonstrates that he is an unmitigated moron. Perry may be an "uneducated ignoramus", but Dawkins is nothing more than an educated one. But what is always amusing is his narcissistic myopia. The entire world is in the midst of an economic meltdown that threatens the global financial system, so naturally he is very, very concerned that the next U.S. president must be a True Believer in the Cult of Darwin.

    If Dawkins actually cared about science, he would be enthusiastically supporting a snake-handling fundamentalist who believed the world was created exactly 6,000 years ago so long as said Creationist was cognizant of economic reality, which none of the current presidential candidates except Ron Paul happen to be. The ongoing Great Depression 2.0 will do far more damage to science than an outright ban on the teaching of evolution in the public schools ever could.

    The fact is that neither the president nor anyone else actually needs to know a damn thing about evolution or the intrinsically unscientific principle - it is based on logic, not science - that is "natural selection". Even biologists who are performing cutting edge work in genetic science don't necessarily need to know anything about either. Almost no one does.

    Moreover, Dawkins is a liar. He lies, and he knows he lies, when he says: "Evolution is a fact, as securely established as any in science." Let's see the scientific experiment that demonstrates that "fact", then see it replicated three more times for good measure. Other scientists can manage this effortlessly, so why can't Mr. Dawkins? Because, obviously, evolution is not a fact - which Dawkins admits in his most recent book - nor is it anywhere nearly as securely established as a plethora of scientific hypotheses. And that is a fact. An actual, verifiable one.

    The Cult of Darwin must be getting desperate indeed if they are resorting to attempting to pass off outright lies in this manner. Moreover, three years after getting spanked on his embrace of the stupid Red State argument, Dawkins still clearly knows nothing about the American political system. It is not the Republican Party that depends upon the uneducated vote, but the Democratic Party, as CNN exit polls have shown after the 2008, 2004, and 2000 presidential elections.

    "Voters with postgraduate schooling were only 25 percent more likely to vote for the Democratic Party presidential candidate in 2004 while those who did not complete high school were 90 percent more likely to identify themselves as Democrats. Since there are 75 percent more Americans who never completed high school (16.4 percent of adults over twenty-five) than possess an advanced degree (9.4 percent), this means that despite their reputation for being the party of the most highly educated, a Democrat is nevertheless more than twice as likely to be someone who has dropped out of high school than an individual with a master’s degree."
    - The Irrational Atheist, pp 18-19

    Dawkins concludes: "The ‘evolution question’ deserves a prominent place in the list of questions put to candidates in interviews and public debates during the course of the coming election."

    Absolutely it does. I would LOVE to see it given a prominent place in the debates. Because wouldn't it be amusing to see the look on Dawkins's face when all the Democrats he admires stand up and deny evolution in perfect lockstep with all the Republican candidates! And it would be an excellent method of keeping those potentially deadly atheist utopians out of high office.

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