Has anyone, other than me, tried to get your friends/loved ones to prove 1919?

I've found that it doesn't matter what is written in the past and the JW's I talked to would only debate from WT material still in circulation. Anything out of circulation they just shut down and won't even look at it. I guess old WT publications go from truth to literature from the Devil and his demon apostates.

Now I just find current stuff to pick at. There is enough there too.

You can only argue from material in the WT Library. Anything not there simply doesn't exist to a JW.

There is another tactic JWs use.. "Discuss it with the elders."

Then the elders will employ their own selection of thought-stoppers. Even if you do prove them wrong, they'll just end it with "Wait on Jehovah."

I emailed my close friends and most of my JW family before signing off for good basically giving them a laundry list of failed prophecies, doctrinal issues, etc. Only one of them even bothered to respond to any of these items, like 2 of them with a typical doublethink JW answer, at which point she just said that I need to do more personal study.

Active, believing JW's cannot interpret facts like 607 being 587, the JW + UN connection, or any of the other numerous factual evidences proving them BS. You could take them in a time machine to see Jerusalem fall in 587 and they wouldn't even care.

I have been unable to prove anything to a Jehovah's Witness that contravened the party line. It is hopeless unless they take the blinders off, and they won't do that.

No one in my family will even discuss it. It's taken me years to finally understand that most of the long timers KNOW that the 1914/1919 doctrine along with many of the others we all know about are false. They see the GB as imperfect and feel that the doctines will changed in due time via Jehovah's spirit. They have no interest in the details. These people don't want to leave. They like the people they associate with. They're not willing to give up family and friends by leaving, period. This actually works like a mob mentality; everyone following everyone else. As long as the GB doesn't emphisize the older doctrines they could care less .

Jack

I have never had any need to discuss it.

They already have a question to answer that undermines it.

They know that I see them as having no credibility, that I expect them to answer my question and that without answering the question I see them as being no different to any member of any religion that can't prove, or won't investigate, it's doctrines.

.... and no ..... I'm not going to take the bait for a change of subject ..... If they want a change of subject they will have to answer my question first because the answer to my question is nearly always required to support an assumption in their 'new' subject.

Any attempt at weaseling their way out of answering my question is always compared to tactics they have accused other religionists of and treated with the contempt it earns.