We have all fallen for a FRAUD(s)

by Terry 31 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  talesin

  OY!!!!!

  Beware of Wiki ... get your information from legitimate sources ....

  Terry, I don't know if you are just plain ignorant, or are trying to toy with other people's minds.

  You have done a disservice to many (traumatized) members here by listing therapy under a heading of fraud. Also, hypnosis is a completely legitimate method of relaxation, and has nothing to do with religious or extra-sensory hocus-pocus!!! This is a dangerous thing to play with, considering you are dealing with the minds of many ex-JWs who have been taught that these legitimate tools of healing are Satanic. Get a grip, man!

  This information is merely copied from Wikipedia, and not a true argument for anything.

  For shame, for presenting this hodgpodge of copied 'data' to a bunch of folks who take your word for things. Do your own research --- there's a job for retirement!

  t

  * don't be so intellectually lazy * klass
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  talesin

  lol, I am a thorn in your side, and will drive you to writing the most succesful book EVER by an exJW!!~!

  t
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  Midget-Sasquatch

  I'm familiar with most of the things in that list. I'm not exaggerating to say well over 90% of it. Now, that doesn't mean that I actually fully believed any of them 100% but was I was definitely fascinated with those sorts of things and tried to weigh out the arguments of both sides.

  Ufology was especially interesting to me. News clips like the recent one about a new book on the Roswell Crash still gets my attention. But they make me laugh now. Is it just me or are these kinds of things getting more outlandish?
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  thetrueone

  The point I think Terry was trying to make that there many things that come to people that are indeed frauds undermined by adverse commercialism.

  This message should be taken as a generalization.

  Since mankind is endeared with human ignorance, to use careful analytical instincts to all things is a valuable concept.

  Even with regards to religion
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  designs

  Dowsing- Never tried it with sticks but in construction we learned to use two copper wires bent into L shapes, hold the small part of the L with each hand and you can find a iron sewer pipe or water pipe like a son of a gun, .... open to criticisms on this one.

  Colon cleansing........there are a few posters here we could try it on to see if it works
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  Terry

  Terry:

  I thought it would be fun to post this list and stand back and watch.

  I'm quite certain every single one of us on this board had fallen for several of these.

  It should be sick fun watching irate responses.

  Talesin:

  Terry, I don't know if you are just plain ignorant, or are trying to toy with other people's minds.

  For shame, for presenting this hodgpodge of copied 'data' to a bunch of folks who take your word for things. Do your own research --- there's a job for retirement!

  Talesin, meet Designs:

  Colon cleansing........there are a few posters here we could try it on to see if it works
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  Lady Lee

• The Bates method for better eyesight – an educational method developed by ophthalmologist William Bates intended to improve vision "naturally" to the point at which it can allegedly eliminate the need for glasses by undoing a habitual strain to see. [ 102 ] In 1929 Bates was cited by the FTC for false or misleading advertising in connection with his book describing the method, Perfect Sight Without Glasses, [ 103 ] though the complaint was later dismissed. [ 104 ] Although some people claim to have improved their eyesight by following his principles, Bates' ideas about vision and accommodation have been rejected by mainstream ophthalmology and optometry. [ 105 ] [ 106 ] [ 107 ] [ 108 ] [ 109 ]

My JW ex-husband tried this when we were married. He is still wearing glasses so I guess it didn't work.

• Body memory – hypothesis that the body itself is capable of storing memories, as opposed to only the brain. This is used to explain having memories for events where the brain was not in a position to store memories and is sometimes a catalyst for repressed memories recovery. [ 113 ] These memories are often characterised with phantom pain in a part or parts of the body – the body appearing to remember the past trauma. The idea of body memory is a belief frequently associated with the idea of repressed memories, in which memories of incest or sexual abuse can be retained and recovered through physical sensations. [ 113 ] [ 114 ]

If I had not seen this with my own eyes I would not believe it. I had one client who had a red hand mark appear very clearly on her face where she had been slapped by her abuser. There was no doubt what I was seeing. Another client had the backs of her hands turn red while she was remembering her hands being slapped repeatedly by her abuser. After working through the memories the redness disappeared but it was there and I would not believe this if I hadn't seen it myself.

- Hypnosis – state of extreme relaxation and inner focus in which a person is unusually responsive to suggestions made by the hypnotist. The modern practice has its roots in the idea of animal magnetism, or mesmerism, originated by Franz Mesmer. [ 168 ] Mesmer's explanations were thoroughly discredited, and to this day there is no agreement amongst researchers whether hypnosis is a real phenomena, or merely a form of participatory role- enactment. [ 17 ] [ 80 ] [ 169 ] Some aspects of suggestion have been clinically useful. [ 170 ] [ 171 ] Other claimed uses of hypnosis more clearly fall within the area of pseudoscience. Such areas include the use of hypnotic regression beyond plausible limits, including past life regression. [ 172 ]

I knew the first woman in Montreal to have a cesarean using hypnosis. It worked very well and she and the baby were fine.

One thing I didn't see there and expected to see was Relexology. I have used it for years and it works. . . for me. I know other people who didn't find it helped them at all.