Is there no hope? (daughter getting baptized)

by camicia 43 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  diamondiiz

  She sees problems with wts which is a good thing. Her trying to look the other way and ignore the problems is not good as she may walk into the cult with her eyes closed hoping her life gets better, the paradise really comes or that she won't get hurt. Bring out those points that bug her and help her see that while in other religions she may have doubts and may discuss her doubts with her peers, she can't do so within wts or she may end up talking to the elders who will tell her not to spread her doubts as she may end up being disfellowshipped for creating divisions. Freedom of thought is wonderful but she won't have that within the confines of wts. If she's a loner, this problem of discussing doubts may not become a problem but if she likes company it surely will catch up with her if she's not careful. And who want that life of not being able to discuss anything with friends - that is if they are real friends?

  As for dating and beautiful married couples. Chaperones aren't always there when people date, it's not a rule but a suggestion. I never had one whenever I went out with my wife at the time and I would guess most witnesses who are dating don't have one either. Being along and dating still is not the same level of knowing one another as when people live together or sleep together. It's a fantasy to think that by just holding hands and dating the marriage will be happy because the couple held out on sex or more intimate matters until after marriage. For some that aspect of life isn't important while for others it's very important. People dating may not discuss subjects that people living together or sleeping together might as the relationship is different and it also may change after the couple does sleep together which may not be a bad thing. If the couple doesn't enjoy that intimate part with one another before marriage what will their relationship be after they marry? Also the beautiful couples at the meetings are outward appearances of happiness but the truth is known only by the couple or those close to them. The marriage problems within JWs are no different than outside of their cult if not worse. These aspects may be difficult to convey to a kid or a young adult wrapped up in a belief system telling them what is moral and right and what isn't. Young people don't have the experience that people who've been through these things have and unfortunately we were all there and we all thought we knew better -then we learned it the hard way. I wish you all the best getting your daughter to think before she joins and actually stop associating with jws but unfortunately many learn the hard way.
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  Anne Marie 1925

  Dear concerned Mom,

  You are absolutely right to be concerned!! The Watchtower Organization is a very powerful one!! It learned subltle mind control techniques, which were practiced and refined on the German brothers back in the 1930s before these tactics where implemented on the rank and file in America.

  Watchtower members of today are still subjected to a continuing program of subliminal hypnotic programming; that is why they must get to the meetings or else they almost have a "panic" in their gut; it's like a "fix" that they have to have. That is why even if they don't want to go, the closer meeting time gets, the more the sense of urgency to get there.

  The Watchtower atttracts many intelligent people, especialy those with open minds who are logical. It's because the Watchtower has such subtle and clever reasoning and logical wording that takes a student down that yellow brick road all the way to OZ, only they never know until it's too late that it is run by an old man behind the curtain.

  Those most vulnerable to the Watchtower's recruiting tactis are those who tend to be co-dependent, have a need for approval, or who may be insecure or feel that "something is missing" in their life. But though it all seems so great in the beginning, once one is baptized, the "Honeymoon" is over; Watchtower members now expect you to "grow up" and do your part in the recruiting work, and they don't hold back on their criticism any longer; the gossip starts and it never, ever, ends!!!

  The Watchtower has SO much to hide...especially on the internet, which has so much information on the TRUTH about "The Truth." Just have your daugher look on YouTube under Jehovha's Witnesses+1975.

  Another great resource for information is www.freeminds.org It is run by Randall Watters who served at Bethel as a floor supervisor on the publishing floor. He has been helping Jehovah's Witnesses, and those who have left, for over thirty years.

  Also, there is a great site with a well of information, and with answers to the most common questions one may have on the Watchtower, and many stories told by ex members who know what they are talking about at www.4jehovah.org

  The Watchtower is masterful at blaming anything that they don't like on "Satan." They use him to blame for everything!! Everything is "demonized," and it could even be YOU!! That's why they tell members to "watch out for the internet"!! SATAN runs the internet!! But what's really going on is that the Watchtower is well aware of the information that is out there for anyone to find...information that exposes them for what they are: a cult, pure and simple.

  If the Watchtower is TRULY "The Truth," then doing some research on their history should only prove them to be what they claim to be, but if they are not, then research should expose them for what they are.

  Truth has nothing to fear from lies; it is only lies that fear the truth. Try to reason with your daughter on THAT one!!

  One more thought: If the Watchtower was REALLY "God's" organization, then why have so many THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS left after discovering the truth about the Watchtower?? Are they are really just "wicked" people?? Then why did they join the organization in the first place? Why did most of these who left faithfully serve for many years? And why is it that a large number of those who left elders, circuit overseers, district overseers, and pioneers, and even those who served at Bethel??

  A little research can go a long way, and as I've said, if the Watchtower is REALLY "God's" organization, then there should be nothing to fear from researching them...
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  designs

  Its sometimes a 5-10 year cycle where interest meets reality meets decision.
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  steve2

  Feminists have learned to their consternation that the best way to help their little daughters move on from Barbie is not to ban Barbie but to let them have her until they grow tired of her. Banning Barbie increases her value to the child. Most girls grow out of Barbie. Similarly, a lot of anti-JW parents have learned to their consternation that banning the Watchtower will bring out the "I want, I want" in their little darlings. They risk driving their children more completely into the arms of the JWs. Let them have the religion if they want it. The statistics of probability are greatly in favour of your child growing up and leaving the religion.