by sabastious 33 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Just a simple question for him, can he point out the scripture that says it's OK to receive a transfusion of hemoglobin vs. a transfusion of a mature red blood cell.
And ask them where that hemoglobin and the other minor fractions come from, since they refuse to donate blood. Who knows, he may have some of my Type B "worldly" hemoglobin flowing through his veins!
So jw's "pioneered" bloodless surgery did they. The only thing they pioneered is pioneering.
You [..] will resort to INSULTS and DEGRADING LYING statements to OFFEND people
sab, how could you?
Oh, yeah, you didn't, he did.
Good job
But Sab what about the great flood, Yahweh killed most of mankind for no purposeful or knowing reason ?
It's been exposed as a myth. So God didn't kill those people.
-Sab
Surgery is not the start and end of transfusion medicine. Blood and blood components are given for many more reasons than just surgical blood loss.
Surgery is not the start and end of transfusion medicine. Blood and blood components are given for many more reasons than just surgical blood loss.
Can you elaborate the point you are making? I seem to have missed it.
-Sab
Just wondering if others don't see the silly in saying jw's pioneered anything in the health field.
Just wondering if others don't see the silly in saying jw's pioneered anything in the health field.
I haven't done much research on their involvement in the field (even though I gave them credit in my message to jwtruth on youtube). So I really don't have an opinion on that just yet.
-Sab
Sab,
Can you elaborate the point you are making? I seem to have missed it.
The comments you got on your video were typical inasmuch as the individual took one single facet of transfusion medicine (i.e. The administration of red cells in scheduled surgery) and attempted to claim that transfusion is never absolutely medically necessary on that basis
There's no denying that Jehovah's Witnesses do quite well in most scheduled surgeries because in scheduled surgery, an aggressive blood conservation protocol can be implemented.
Emergency surgery is a horse of a different color. The videos produced by Jehovah's Witnesses do not deal with emergency surgery in depth, but Dr. Aryeh Shander does observe that it's important to get the bleeding stopped as quickly as possible. But that's not always possible. There are plenty of accident scenarios where the victim can experience catastrophic blood loss before help even arrives.
What happens if somebody is accidently shot through the abodomen with a broad-head hunting arrow? What happens if an ectopic pregnancy causes a woman's fallopian tube to burst? What happens if somebody's leg is severed in a water skiing accident? There was a documented case in California where a Witness child fell off their skateboard onto the sidewalk and died. You can bleed to death from a broken femur in a matter of minutes. Very sad. There is a window even after somebody has technically bled to death where they can be resuscitated and brought back. But it takes massive transfusions to do this.
Pathology and Oncology are two more facets of transfusion medicine. Jehovah's Witnesses afflicted with severe forms of leukemia, aplastic anemia, lyphoma and Hodgkin's disease do very, very poorly. Since there is a period of months when the recipient of most forms of bone marrow tranplant is not producing red cells or platelets on their own, how can this possibly be done in the absence of transfusion? Intense chemotherapy also brings the production of red cells and platelets to a complete standstill Multiple transfusions are typically needed to keep the patient alive during chemo.
The list of non-sugical situations and conditions where blood or blood components are indicated go on and on and on. They would fill a book.
As I mentioned before typical JWS get a mouth full of mis-information about the many instances when blood transfusions
are performed out a medical emergency, their own religious doctrine is mis-information derived from their bible interpretation.
As its been mentioned before many people (JWS) have died because of refusing certain blood fractions which later on were
approved by the WTS. What you hear from JWS saying that they have promoted and taken the lead for bloodless
surgery is nothing but self induced propaganda to support their position, something most likely written in a WT or
Aw. magazine.
