The Authorized Ruling on the God Debate

by SweetBabyCheezits 14 Replies latest jw friends

  • SweetBabyCheezits
    SweetBabyCheezits

    At Aude's suggestion I'm starting this thread from [one of] the point[s] I digressed on the BroDan meltdown thread.

    [Cyber]Jesus: SBC, you speak like a man! you are my here now...

    I'd like the Christians to note that a man who goes by the name of Jesus just called me his hero. (Actually, he said "here" but I'm taking the liberty, regardless. ) Such being the case, I believe that authorizes me to make a final ruling on this silly God debate. So without further adieu here it is:

    Scientifically untouchable realms may exist all around us but any such realms would be far beyond the construct of the primitive, pedantic, self-absorbed gods of the big three faiths.

    Take heart, though. We would have more reason to be concerned if we were a reflection of our creator's image than having no designer at all - which, by the way, is a false dichotomy. If a designer possessing the full gamut of human emotion was responsible for our existence (in this state we call reality) that means we could be, at best, an experiment with an unknown purpose or, at worst, entertainment.

    So stop living in fear of violent, vindictive invisi-gods and embrace ethics for goodness' sake alone. Be personally accountable.

    Instead of being consumed by the idea of an afterlife, be thankful that you exist at all and make your own damn future.

    Accept that you and I will never know some things as rational questions will always outnumber rational answers.

    The end.

    There. It's settled.

    Orrrrr it could just be my opinion, which I've now propped up with Jesus.

  • tec
    tec
    Orrrrr it could just be my opinion, which I've now propped up with Jesus.

    You mean [Cyber]Jesus :P

  • SweetBabyCheezits
    SweetBabyCheezits

    Hey, his real name is Jesus. CyberJesus is just his screen name.

  • VIII
    VIII

    Clap, Clap, Clap.

    I am so sick of this debate. And worrying that the FSM will get me. Or his Nephlim will come down and breed with me. (I know they want to----all bad Angels do--Yes, I am that hot. No pics are necessary. I run. Case closed. )

    So, I will just go on and be like all the great people everyone worships. I'll let the reader discern who that may be.

  • lovelylil
    lovelylil

    You make some good points but f.y.i. not all christians live in fear of a violent, vindictive God. I do agree we should be thankful we exist, which I am. But do not see anything wrong with looking forward to an afterlife. By the way, not only Christians believe in a form of afterlife. I also agree that we will never truly understand some of the mysteries of the universe, (or God for that matter, but that is my opinion)Overall, I think all the threads about God vs No God are a waste of time. They all do tend to turn into rant fests by both sides of this issue.

    Ultimately, You will niether convince a believer to believe otherwise, Nor convince a non-believer to change his/her views either. Belief is a personal choice.

    Overall though this thread could turn into a good discussion, maybe..........as in we shall see..........Peace, Lilly

  • aSphereisnotaCircle
    aSphereisnotaCircle

    If a designer possessing the full gamut of human emotion was responsible for our existence (in this state we call reality) that means we could be, at best, an experiment with an unknown purpose or, at worst, entertainment.

  • SweetBabyCheezits
    SweetBabyCheezits
    lovelylil: But do not see anything wrong with looking forward to an afterlife.

    Anticipation, for me, is a huge part of any experience. In planning a vacation, for example, the anticipation not only lasts longer, but it occasionally seems to exceed the pleasure I derive from the trip itself. Maybe that's just me.

    But sometimes I wonder if the afterlife hope hasn't been so trumped up that some, even subconsciously, view this existence as a cheap, temporary knock-off compared to the grand prize. That'd be a shame.

    Overall, I think all the threads about God vs No God are a waste of time. .... Ultimately, You will niether convince a believer to believe otherwise, Nor convince a non-believer to change his/her views either. Belief is a personal choice.

    No offense, but is this not an example of black and white thinking? Where's the middle ground? What about the open-minded folks out there who are just discovering the freedom to consider both sides for themselves? Many of these are in a similar place as I was a few years back. It is primarily for them that I share my perspective as I know I'm grateful to the ones who were debating god's existence when I was a lurker. (And that goes for posters on both sides of the debate.)

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    Instead of being consumed by the idea of an afterlife

    If I may, dear SBC (peace to you!), I would to give an alternate perspective and that is that christians (i.e., members of the Body of Christ) aren't looking toward an afterlife... but toward the real life... of which this "life" (which is really not life) is a precursor. That is because we understand that none of us are truly living now, for the true living do not die. And... we die. True life is not temporary, such as we experience now - it is eternal. It is not subject to disease, aging, or death... things that are unique to flesh with its blood.

    Even scientists believe that we SHOULD live forever - they just haven't deciphered, yet, just what it is that causes us to age and die as a result. Aging is a disease, dear one... of the blood. A defect in that blood. If one possessed pure blood, however, blood that has no sickness, disease, aging, or death IN it... one WOULD live... forever. And that is the hope... the gift... set before ALL of mankind: to live forever... by means of blood that is pure.

    What... or rather... whose blood is like that? The blood of the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies. Which some know as "holy spirit." There is a promise to man that by means of this blood he (man) can be returned to the original "image" or likeness that was granted to Adam. There is only one caveat to man's receiving this blood: he must get it from the only One granted to dispense it - the Holy One of Israel, God's Son... JaHeShua, the Chosen One of JAH (or "MischaJah").

    I know, I know... it all sounds contrived and hocus pocus to a critical thinker like yourself. And you have every right to think as you do: religion and certainly "christianity" as this world knows it hasn't given you much reason to think otherwise. I would think the same had not that One come to me and since speak to me personally. I also know how hard it is to believe that as well, but I would be totally remiss if I did not share these truths with you. It is not an issue for me that you believe me - the issue is whether I have enough love for you to TELL you... regardless of whether you believe me or not.

    I do have such love, not because I know you or because of anything you've said or done to or for me. But because the One who has told ME these things loves you - indeed, he gave his life for you, too, even if you don't believe or acccept that - and I love him. So, since there really is nothing I can give him in exchange for what he did for me, I figure the least I can do is tell the truth about him... to those who ask... and those who doubt. Whether they hear or refrain.

    The Most Holy One of Israel is the God of the Living, dear one. Not those who exist in the flesh now, but those who will eventually receive a white robe, the "outer garment" of a body that is CLEAN... and thus FREE... from sickness, aging... and death. THAT is the life... and one can obtain it only by exercising faith in The Life, Christ... and his blood... which blood he received from HIS Father (as we receive it from our fathers)... and gives to those who belong to... because they are beget by... him.

    There is no afterlife, dear one. There is only the precursor to life... and then... life. Everything else is death.

    I hope this helps and, again, bid you peace!

    A slave of Christ,

    SA, who doesn't particularly "like" the debate(s) between believers and non-believers, particularly when they become contentious, abusive, even malicious, but realizes the potential benefit to BOTH as a result of them. Because it is easier to love one's "enemies"... perhaps even do good to them, even pray for them... if one bothers to try and understand them and why they think/believe as they do. It is much more difficult to have tender compassion for one you can't even bother to try and understand, who you consider "beneath" you and/or have a measure of contempt for simply because you haven't a clue as to what they're about. Such unwillingness leads to thinks like racism, gender and other discrimination, even murder and war. Love does not required one to agree with what another/others believe. It simply requires one to TREAT others as they wish to BE treated... even if they ascribe to a different set of beliefs. To do less... while decrying the abuse, compulsions, and hypocrisy of certain religions is... abuse and compulsion... and thus, hypocrisy itself. Beware the leaven... which is hypocrisy and which, apparently isn't unique to the religious...

  • SweetBabyCheezits
    SweetBabyCheezits

    Hi, Shelby, I hope you're recovering well. I agree with your post-script. Intellectual empathy is a crucial part of critical thinking.

    Christians... aren't looking toward an afterlife... but toward the real life... of which this "life" (which is really not life) is a precursor.
    There is no afterlife, dear one. There is only the precursor to life... and then... life. Everything else is death.

    Your slightly altered view on this reminds me of a scene from This is Spinal Tap, the discussion of volume knobs on their amps:

    Nigel: The numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and...
    Marty: Oh, I see. And most amps go up to ten?
    Nigel: Exactly.
    Marty: Does that mean it's louder? Is it any louder?
    Nigel: Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?
    Marty: I don't know.
    Nigel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
    Marty: Put it up to eleven.
    Nigel: Eleven. Exactly. One louder.
    Marty: Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder?
    Nigel: [pause] These go to eleven.

  • SweetBabyCheezits
    SweetBabyCheezits
    Shelby: I know... it all sounds contrived and hocus pocus

    It does.

    ...indeed, he gave his life for you, too,

    So he's dead right now? In a state of nonexistence? Incapacitated? Unconscious?

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