THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY ENCOURAGES LYING

by Hairyhegoat 19 Replies latest jw experiences

Spade

"Not divulging a potential victim's location to a criminal is one thing; misrepresenting the official WT stance on education, citizenship, medical treatment, and treatment of non-Witness family members, under oath affirmation in a court proceeding, is quite another. The Preparing for Child Custody Cases pamphlet makes it clear that Theocratic Warfare Strategy is to be used, though they avoid using that phrase publicly. The Watchtower Society not only encourages lying when it suits their ends, they all but demand it!"
Intervention for Child Custody Cases was only deemed necessary in instances where Jehovah's Witnesses religion has been under attack during child custody cases. If either side is going to twist a constitutional religion into a child custody case, both sides still collectively fold into a system that adheres to judicial law.
TTWSYF

Intervention for Child Custody Cases was only deemed necessary in instances where Jehovah's Witnesses religion has been under attack during child custody cases. If either side is going to twist a constitutional religion into a child custody case, both sides still collectively fall into a system that adheres to judicial law.
Jws attack every faith. Any defense of ones faith could/would be seen as an attack against the Watchtower's lies. Lies in so many areas, how could anyone defend such bs
Spade- There is no such thing as lying for the truth, God hates liars. Read your bible bro.
respectfully [although it may not sound so]
dc
clarity

Hairy
Albert Schweitzer - "Truth has no special time of it's own. It's hour is now - ALWAYS!"
My Yiddish ancestors would say "A half truth is a whole LIE!"
My thoughts on this watchtower lying thing is this, if someone will lie ... how could they be believable. Ever.
clarity
Retrovirus

Spade
Intervention for Child Custody Cases was only deemed necessary in instances where Jehovah's Witnesses religion has been under attack during child custody cases
If you have any basis for this unsupported assertion, please present it. If one parent did not want the children of the marriage to be raised exclusively in the wt, would that be an attack on the religion?
In any case, "intervention" is one thing, and lying is another. Omitting some part of what is true and relevant, or conveying a false impression, these are not interventions, but lies.
Retro
GLTirebiter

Intervention for Child Custody Cases was only deemed necessary in instances where Jehovah's Witnesses religion has been under attack during child custody cases.
Rubbish! The Watchtower engages in deceit to alienate children from non-Witness parents long before the matter reaches a family court. It is taught in the Watchtower (members' edition) and it is the topic of talks at Assemblies. I am personally familiar with this, being on the receiving side of these tactics. Granted Ms. Wah and the other corporate attorneys become directly involved only in exceptionally high-profile cases, but the tactics they authored are in play whether or not the corporate legal staff becomes directly involved.
If the Custody pamphlet is being used less often, I suspect that is in large part because of the attention it has received. The non-Witness legal counsel knows about it, and acts quickly and decisively to preempt those tactics at the first sign they are in play. That often convinces the opposing counsel to change course and adopt more a reasonable approach.
As for who's attacking who, just read your Watchtowers and listen to the assembly talks. No other religion escapes the Watchtower's condemnation; no person but a Witness is worthy and moral. What determines if a father is the godly head of the household or a person to be "hated in the truest sense", with association reduced to the absolute minimum possible? Belief in and submission to the Watchtower Organization! That is what I call being "under attack" for the sake of a religion.
WTWizard

As I see it, it is acceptable to lie in order to prevent a worse act from happening. Lying to someone that is trying to burgle your home is perfectly acceptable--because you are doing it to protect your belongings or an innocent person's. Even if you are setting up a trap so the burglar will end up in jail. This is not initiatory, or first-strike offensive, fraud--you are merely sending the burglar (or whatever criminal) on a wild goose chase to protect yourself.
However, when you are lying in order to protect your own doctrines and scams, that is first-strike offensive. This is as true with the Washtowel Babble and Crap Slaveholdery lying about a doctrine to protect its legal status or to egg on a study to become a witless, as it is when the government lies about the sickness-care bill to get people to buy its scams. This sort of lying is initiatory, or first-strike offensive, fraud and is objectionable.
Spade

"Rubbish! The Watchtower engages in deceit to alienate children from non-Witness parents long before the matter reaches a family court. It is taught in the Watchtower (members' edition) and it is the topic of talks at Assemblies. I am personally familiar with this, being on the receiving side of these tactics. Granted Ms. Wah and the other corporate attorneys become directly involved only in exceptionally high-profile cases, but the tactics they authored are in play whether or not the corporate legal staff becomes directly involved.
If the Custody pamphlet is being used less often, I suspect that is in large part because of the attention it has received. The non-Witness legal counsel knows about it, and acts quickly and decisively to preempt those tactics at the first sign they are in play. That often convinces the opposing counsel to change course and adopt more a reasonable approach.
As for who's attacking who, just read your Watchtowers and listen to the assembly talks. No other religion escapes the Watchtower's condemnation; no person but a Witness is worthy and moral. What determines if a father is the godly head of the household or a person to be "hated in the truest sense", with association reduced to the absolute minimum possible? Belief in and submission to the Watchtower Organization! That is what I call being "under attack" for the sake of a religion."
What's actually stated in the Watchtower society's literature that supports your claims as this is where Jehovah's Witnesses receive instruction. I don't subscribe to the malicious “secrecy” of some former Jehovah's Witnesses. It's opposers that deliberately invade religious freedoms in the first place during a child custody case.

g93 10/8 p. 15 Jehovah’s Witnesses Vindicated in Child-Custody Battle

INGRID HOFFMANN has been battling to keep custody of her two children since the middle of the last decade. An Austrian woman, she was born and raised a Roman Catholic. She married a fellow Catholic, and gave birth to a son in 1980 and a daughter in 1982. But in 1983 the couple divorced; both parents sought custody of the children. The father charged that the mother’s religion—she had become one of Jehovah’s Witnesses—would harm the children, deprive them of a normal, healthy upbringing. He cited such issues as the Witnesses’ refusal to celebrate certain holidays common in his land and their abstention from blood transfusions.—Acts 15:28, 29.

These specious arguments failed to convince. Both the trial court and the appeals court rejected the father’s claims and awarded custody to the mother. However, in September 1986, the Supreme Court of Austria reversed the lower court’s rulings. It held that these decisions had violated the Austrian Religious Education Act, a law that requires Catholic-born children to be educated as Catholics. The court also ruled that it would not be in the best interests of the children to allow them to be raised as Jehovah’s Witnesses!

What recourse did Ingrid Hoffmann have against such blatant religious prejudice? In February 1987 her case was presented to the European Commission of Human Rights. On April 13, 1992, this commission, which is composed of jurists representing various member nations of the Council of Europe, referred the case for a full hearing before the European Court of Human Rights.

The court ruled on June 23, 1993. It stated: “The European Court therefore accepts that there has been a difference in treatment and that that difference was on the ground of religion; this conclusion is supported by the tone and phrasing of the [Austrian] Supreme Court’s considerations regarding the practical consequences of the applicant’s religion. Such a difference in treatment is discriminatory.” [Italics ours.] It further noted that the Supreme Court “weighed the facts differently from the courts below, whose reasoning was moreover supported by psychological expert opinion. Notwithstanding any possible arguments to the contrary, a distinction based essentially on a difference in religion alone is not acceptable.”

By a vote of five to four, the judges ruled in favor of Ingrid Hoffmann and against Austria, stating, in effect, that Austria had discriminated against her on the basis of her religion and had violated her right to raise her family. Furthermore, by a vote of eight to one, the judges awarded her monetary damages.

This remarkable victory for religious freedom came just a month after another one in the very same court—the case of Kokkinakis v. Greece, which established that Greece had violated a man’s right to teach God’s Word from house to house. Lovers of freedom the world over rejoice when such attempts to suppress religious liberty are thwarted and personal rights to worship God and raise a family according to Bible principles are protected.
cyberjesus

Would you divulge to a rapist the location of your daughter?
Unless he is the elder in your congregation, then your screwed... i mean your daughter.
cyberjesus

What's actually stated in the Watchtower society's literature that supports your claims as this is where Jehovah's Witnesses receive instruction? I don't buy into the the malicious “secrecy” of some former Jehovah's Witnesses. It's opposers that deliberately invade religious
freedoms in the first place during a child custody case.
Spade you need to read the magazines more.
GLTirebiter

What's actually stated in the Watchtower society's literature that supports your claims as this is where Jehovah's Witnesses receive instruction.
Bold emphasis in the following quotations is mine.
Here is how the Custody Cases pamphlet says to answer questions about religious tolerance:
[Q] Will all Catholics (or others) be destroyed?
[A] Jehovah makes those judgements, not we.
[Q] Do you believe the Catholic (or other) Church is true or false?
[A] I believe its teachings are in error.
[Q] Do you respect other religions? If so, why do you go from house to house trying to convert people?
[A] The Bible has good news for people of all religions and backgrounds- - the good news that God will soon bring peace to earth through his Kingdom. We want to share this with our neighbors
[This one is for the children to answer:]
[Q] Have you been exposed to different religious views since youth? How has this affected you?
[A] Learned to be tolerant and appreciate divergence of opinions; while personally choosing teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses, have learned to respect others' right of choice.
But what does the Watchtower say? From page 47 of the Jan 15, 1976 issue:
"One thing hard for many people today to understand is that there can be and there is only one true religion. Why do they rebel against such fact? It is because all the other religions are false, and this would include their own religion ... in the midst of the world's greatest tribuation, all false religions will be wiped out and only the one true religion will survive."
This page was missing the title and page numbers, but it's relevant to both the religion questions and to spousal and parental alienation. I think it's from the Revelation book:
"That is not all there is to God's judgement against babylon the Great. Her final destruction is soon to come. (Revelation 18:21) ... How do we get out of Babylon the Great? This involves more than just severing ties with false religion ... To keep on the watch, it is vital that both in our actions and in the desires of our heart, we give evidence that we are truly separate from Babylon the Great in every way"
Here is how the Custody Cases pamphlet coaches children to testify in court about their activities and future plans:
"Be careful that they don't get the impression that they are in a demonstration at the circuit assembly, when they would show that the first things in life are service and going to the Kingdom Hall. Show hobbies, crafts, social activity, sports, and especially plans for the future. Be careful they don't all say that they are going to be pioneers."
Compare this to Watchtower April 15, 1986, the article "What Career Will You Choose" on page 30:
"Youths, how will you use your future? For yourselves or fully fof Jehovah? (Romans 12:8) Prayerfully consider the goal of full-time service now in your youth. Imitate Jesus by living the rest of your life 'for God's will.' (1 peter 4:2) It will prove to be a protection from harmful worldly ambitions, careers and associations. Analyze your circumstances and set a specific date as your goal for entering full-time service. Work toward it. Pray for Jehovah's help to attain it.--Ephesians 6:18"
This was emphasized in Awake May 8, 1989, in a similar article "What Career Should I Choose?" on page 12:
The prime obligation for Christians today is to preach the Kingom message. (Matthew 24:14) And youths who take seriously this obligation feel compelled to have as full a share in this work as possible--even if they are not naturally inclined toward preaching. (Compare 2 Corinthians 5:14.) Instead of pursuing full-time secular jobs, thousands have chosen to serve as full-time evangelizers (pioneers).
To bring this back to the original topic, the Watchtower does encourage lying on their behalf (and only theirs, it seems). From Watchtower May 1, 1957 page 286:
"So in time of sprititual warfare it is proper to misdirect the enemy by hiding the truth. It is done unselfishly; it does not harm anyone; on the contrary, it does much good.
Today God's servants are engaged in a warfare, a spiritual theocratic warfare, a warfare ordered by God against wicked spirit forces and false teachings."
This "Question from Readers" on page 703 of the November 15, 1952 Watchtower illustrates the alienation of non-Witness family members I referred to in the previous post:
"We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostacy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sanai and in the land of Palestine. 'Thou shalt surely kill him; thy hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people.' "
"If children are of age and continue to associate with a disfellowshipped parent because of receiving material support from him or her, then they must consider how their spiritual interests are being endangered by continuing under this unequal arrangement ... material support should not make them compromise so as to ignore the disfellowshipped state of the parent ... the faithful family member must recognize and conform to the disfellowship order."
This is but a brief overview of these subjects. The articles on Freeminds are an excellent resource, with far more information than I can fit in this post.

THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY ENCOURAGES LYING

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