Since the numbers of those partaking are increasing......

by justmom 18 Replies latest jw friends

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    Here's the QFR:







    The Bible does not reveal a precise answer to that question. We do know that the anointing of Jesus’ disciples with a view to their heavenly inheritance began in 33 C.E. (Acts 2:1-4) We also know that after the death of the apostles, genuine anointed Christian “wheat” came to “grow together” with counterfeit Christians, “weeds.” (Matthew 13:24-30) Then, starting in the late 1800’s, anointed Christians were again prominently active. In 1919 “the harvest of the earth,” including the gathering of the final ones of the anointed, began to be reaped.—Revelation 14:15, 16.

    From the late 1800’s until 1931, the main thrust of the preaching work was the gathering of the remaining members of the body of Christ. In 1931 the Bible Students took the Bible-based name Jehovah’s Witnesses, and in the November 15, 1933, issue of TheWatchtower, the thought was expressed that this unique name was the “denarius” referred to in Jesus’ parable recorded at Matthew 20:1-16. The 12 hours mentioned in the parable were thought to correspond to the 12 years from 1919 to 1931. For many years after that, it was believed that the call to the heavenly Kingdom had ended in 1931 and that those called to be joint heirs with Christ in 1930 and 1931 were “the last” called. (Matthew 20:6-8) However, in 1966 an adjusted understanding of that parable was presented, and it became clear that it had nothing to do with the end of the calling of the anointed.

    In 1935 the “great crowd” of Revelation 7:9-15 was understood to be made up of “other sheep,” Christians with an earthly hope, who would appear on the world scene in “the last days” and who as a group would survive Armageddon. (John 10:16; 2 Timothy 3:1; Revelation 21:3, 4) After that year, the thrust of the disciple-making work turned to the gathering in of the great crowd. Hence, especially after 1966 it was believed that the heavenly call ceased in 1935. This seemed to be confirmed when almost all who were baptized after 1935 felt that they had the earthly hope. Thereafter, any called to the heavenly hope were believed to be replacements for anointed Christians who had proved unfaithful.

    Without a doubt, if one of the anointed unrepentantly falls away, Jehovah does call another individual to take his place. (Romans 11:17-22) However, the number of genuine anointed ones who have become unfaithful is likely not large. On the other hand, as time has gone by, some Christians baptized after 1935 have had witness borne to them that they have the heavenly hope. (Romans 8:16, 17) Thus, it appears that we cannot set a specific date for when the calling of Christians to the heavenly hope ends.

    How should a person be viewed who has determined in his heart that he is now anointed and begins to partake of the emblems at the Memorial? He should not be judged. The matter is between him and Jehovah. (Romans 14:12) However, genuine anointed Christians do not demand special attention. They do not believe that their being of the anointed gives them special “insights,” beyond what even some experienced members of the great crowd may have. They do not believe that they necessarily have more holy spirit than their companions of the other sheep have; nor do they expect special treatment or claim that their partaking of the emblems places them above the appointed elders in the congregation. They humbly remember that some anointed men in the first century did not qualify to serve as elders or ministerial servants. (1 Timothy 3:1-10, 12, 13; Titus 1:5-9; James 3:1) Some anointed Christians were even spiritually weak. (1 Thessalonians 5:14) And sisters, although anointed, did not teach in the congregation.—1 Timothy 2:11, 12.

    Hence, anointed Christians along with their other sheep companions strive to stay spiritually strong, cultivating the fruitage of the spirit and working for the peace of the congregation. All Christians, whether anointed or of the other sheep, work hard at preaching the good news and making disciples under the direction of the Governing Body. Anointed Christians are content to do this for as long as it is God’s will that they remain on earth as Jehovah’s servants.

  • james_woods

    Yup, thanks. I read it in the other thread.

    Like I posted there - the real problem here (which they cannot seem to get their heads around) is the claim that the 144,000 is a literal number.

    And secondarily, that it implies that there are two classes of christians; one over and above the other.

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    They have so many classes and rankings now that they've given up even trying to use the word "class" anymore.

    At the top you have Jehovah God, who is nominally in charge of EVERYthing but doesn't actually DO ANYthing.

    Second, you have The Now Reigning King, Jesus Christ, who like Jehovah, is also nominally in charge but doesn't actually DO ANYthing.

    Then, you have those of the 144,000 anointed who have already died and been resurrected to heaven to rule as kings and priests for 1,000 years. Like their brother Jesus and dad Jehovah, these also do NOT do ANYthing at present.

    Then you have your legal officers and attorneys for the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. This is the first group that actually does anything as you head down the corporate er, Kingdom ladder. These guys tell the Governing Body what to tell the rank and file JWs what to do.

    Next you have your Governing Body. These seven men sort of do things. Every Wednesday morning they meet for a couple hours to talk about the work their committees are doing and decide that the status quo is treating them all pretty well. If they feel saucy, they may discuss some new light to spring on the rank and file later in the year and commission someone in the Service Department to have it put into a talk outline and/or someone in the Writing Department to have it put into a magazine article. Otherwise they rubberstamp the orders from the corporate-types above or the suggestions from the Department heads below.

    Now the Department Heads (Committee Elders I think they are called) may have some authority because they have actual people working for them who they get to boss around. But they can't really change doctrine, not without permission. They can only create clever new ways to explain and enforce the doctrines on the rank and file JWs.

    Your Branch, District, and Circuit Overseers are next, in that order. They all do what they're told or they're replaced. But they can bully elders both locally and at the assembly/conventions, so that gives them a bit of an ego boost.

    The local elders hold your life in their hands. If you don't realize you have to kiss their ass you are in danger of being a free thinker and probably won't live out your whole life as a JW. You're already on your way out. If you want to stay IN, you will obey the local elders WITHOUT QUESTION. (I questioned, got counseled, it pissed me off enough to do research, and I left - there's just one anecdotal piece of evidence for you)

    Beneath the local elders are anointed brothers. They have no authority at all because like their heavenly counterparts, they are not allowed to DO ANYthing. They do get to drink a sip of wine and eat a cracker once a year though, so they've got that going for them.

    Beneath the anointed brothers comes Ministerial Servants. These are volunteer slaves. They do what they're told by the elders or they're replaced.

    Beneath Ministerial Servants are baptized brothers. These can be any age (usually between 8 and 100), as long as they have been baptized. They have no real authority unless there are females around.

    Beneath baptized brothers are anointed sisters. These are just like anointed brothers but they're women. They will never be more than they are.

    Beneath anointed sisters are regular baptized sisters. These are the lowest rank on the JW ladder. The only "priviledge" they qualify for is pioneering and cleaning.

    Which brings up pioneering. This isn't a separate rank because people from all ranks can be pioneers. But if you ARE a pioneer, you get a little bump in prestige, though no real extra juice.

    So that summarizes the JW "Class" system as it currently stands. The anointed could be divided into pre-1935 and post-1935 but really there aren't enough pre-1935 anointed still alive to be concerned with.

  • james_woods

    Mad Sweeney has provided the best heirarchial description of the JW world I have yet seen.

    May I add two sub-classes?

    First, JW non-baptised children from about 10 on up - you are required to do everything a baptised JW does but are not a real JW. You will be hounded to get baptised and avoid school, sports, or anything fun. You are required to go door to door.

    Second, JW non-baptised children from about 10 down - you will be taken to the back room and beaten black and blue if you misbehave. You are dragged to meetings whether you like it or not. Soon you will be advanced to a preteen JW kid - see above.

  • justmom

    Very good points everyone...

    As to the "old folks" handing over "the mantle" the generation who knew the gneration of 1914 (or whatever now...craziness)

    the so-called prophetic example I remember in the wilderness is because of their murmuring about losing their comfort zone and complaining about the manna(the bread from heaven), building a golden calf (the WTBS INC) because they NEEDED something they could SEE, (walking by the and fire was not enough for them) and whining that the Lord is delaying (didn't come and take them all in 1914).....

    I believe THEY ALL died off! And not in a good kinda way!

    Funny that! Seems to be the same today. False prophets just never seem to get a clue. Always hiding behind that "new light".

    just a thought


  • porfiada

    Hi Justmom

    Yeah probably your idea of just going and showing them what they should be doing according to Jesus' words, were will be doing better...and their numbers of partakers are increasing too because there have been such exJWS, like beforethesolstice says he did in YouTube

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    Please excuse if this link does not work, I copied the "embed code" from YouTube. The video is called "Ex-witnesses: Attend the 2010 memorial"


  • Juan Viejo2
    Juan Viejo2

    They have so many classes and rankings now that they've given up even trying to use the word "class" anymore. -- Mad Sweeney

    Mad Sweeny - you have a PM

  • porfiada

    Wow is this going to work? I hope the video does.
  • porfiada


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