The Dawkins Delusion

by brotherdan 181 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • glenster
    glenster

    I ran across this book title in research recently which might touch on
    some of the concerns of this post. I haven't read it yet--just
    excerpts from it:

    "The Irrational Atheist: Dissecting the Unholy Trinity of Dawkins,
    Harris, and Hitchens" is a 2008 book by American writer and technology
    entrepreneur Vox Day, a weekly columnist on WorldNetDaily.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Irrational_Atheist
    http://www.newoxfordreview.org/reviews.jsp?did=1108-gardiner

    For an outlook on faith and the basic God concept, I recommend
    "How to Think About God: A Guide for the 20th-Century Pagan,"
    which I have read, by Mortimer J. Adler.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortimer_J._Adler#God
    http://books.google.com/books?id=kaXh3Vpt_gQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=How+to+Think+About+God&source=bl&ots=NpiCKEmyIL&sig=jpEfn7T1fsFGgpEqXWSkH0lEsiI&hl=en&ei=bpCcTJKVC8WHnQetr7iODQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

  • Deputy Dog
    Deputy Dog

    Funny how this gets back to faith. It reminds me of the thread (last week) where nic and I disagreed on wether the bible teaches Faith=certainty. As a Christian I don't think it does.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Guys, It's a book and in it Dawkins voiced his opinion, like so many others do, both pro and con.

    That's all it was, his opinion which carries as much weight or as little as any one person chooses to give it.

  • Quando
    Quando

    WOW...what a thread.

    I should have probably started a new thread but I have to get out the door and go to work.

    For Brotherdan I just wanted to share with you possibly a new read or paradigm shift in your journey of the truth or whatever you want to call it.

    I have met this Scientist and he happens to make the most sense to ME maybe you will like him also.

    Scientific proof of the existence of God

    http://www.amitgoswami.org/scientific-proof-existence-god/

  • B-Rock
    B-Rock

    You dont need to read Dawkins

    The Holey Babble is the best book proving god doesnt exist.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    cuffy,

    :Actually physicists are addressing it, its the theme of Hawkins new book. Most of the real work is not to be found in the popular press however. Be careful not to confuse what science doesn't know yet with what can't be known.

    They can address it all they want, but even in your reference to Stephen Hawking (I read his first book, btw), he stated that mathematics cannot answer everything in that area.

    Let me give you an example: some scientists believe the laws of gravity when completely understood, will provide the answers, but that begs the question "where did gravity come from?" The stuff from the tiny batch of stuff that banged and spread that matter throughout the Universe? Where did it come from? Science has been consistent in saying that matter/energy can neither be created nor destroyed, just transformed from one into the other. But matter MUST have existed for the big bang to occur.

    So, then we might ask, not just who made it but when was it made? But time did not exist before the moment the big bang did its bang. Einstein's laws prove that mathematically, just as Newton's laws worked perfectly on this planet. But some of Newton's laws don't work at all in time/space.

    Given the fact that the big bang stuff did exist, how could it have existed at all just by itself, and why? And WHY did it decide to bang? And where the did space/universe(s) come from to give it room to bang?

    Multiple universes or dimensions, which are part of string theory give one explanation, but it still begs the questions about where did THEY come from in order to be able to produce the material that came from the big bang? Also, string theory requires ONE dimensional strings that manifest themselves with more than one dimension in other dimensions. Science has never been able to manifest a one-dimensional object, because it cannot exist in our universe. The thinnest string you could ever imagine, say one that is 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 billionth of a micron STILL has two dimensions.

    This stuff would normally give me a headache, so instead of taking aspirin, I just take comfort in the solace that whoever/whatever made/got that stuff and set all that stuff in motion is unknowable in science. EVER. Why do I say that? I say that simply because it's untestable, which will forever make it a hypothesis.

    Newton provided some of the answers. Einstein provided some of the answers. Hawking provided some of the anwers, as did Tesla and Fermi, and many others.

    I'm content knowing that some things just cannot be solved through science or any other logical method. The great mysteries surrounding the "theory of everything" will not be discovered by humans.

    Farkel

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    http://www.newoxfordreview.org/reviews.jsp?did=1108-gardiner

    Oh dear, Glenster. I am going to have to get a copy. The review was a bombshell on "new atheist" claims.

    BTS

  • Room 215
    Room 215

    The underlying nub of these questions is: faith is neither empiricism nor science. Jesus told Thomas; "happy are those who do not see and yet believe."

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    I'm content knowing that some things just cannot be solved through science or any other logical method. The great mysteries surrounding the "theory of everything" will not be discovered by humans.

    Godel's Incompleteness Theorem proves it, mathematically.

    BTS

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    Farkel:

    Given the fact that the big bang stuff did exist, how could it have existed at all just by itself, and why?

    Don't you also end up asking the same question regarding your God (however conceived) of the Gaps?

    Given the fact that "God" did exist, how could it have existed at all just by itself, and why?

    Like you, however, I'm content with a whopping "I Don't Know and Will Die Not Knowing", I just don't have any motivation to assign any possible answer to the mystery, such as a God of the Gaps.

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