Are White Blood Cells Passed to a Baby via Breastfeeding? (page 2)

AnnOMaly

So for any clued in JW, treated cows' milk would be OK to drink, but 'raw,' untreated milk would have to be avoided like blood sausage. Why hasn't this been addressed in WT publications? ;-)

BluesBrother

If I were still a J W , I would think a moment then come up with an answer something like this...

"If milk contains white blood cells then it was obviously put there by our Creator to feed the young offspring. Since it was designed for that purpose there can be no wrong it using it to feed a baby. Remember also that Israel was described as a 'land flowing with milk and honey' so God intended his people to drink it ..The Scriptures require that the venous blood is pored on the ground when an animal is killed. That does not remove every trace of bood from the meat, but as long as it has been drained, God said that the carcase may be eaten.

There are many medical questions, but as long as the scriptures are obeyed then we may eat with a clear conscience"

How about that for an off the cuff reply.....If I were a dub of course

elderelite

and Blues, your logic makes some sort of sense. The problem is the org does not leave it at what you just stated. They are the ones who break it down into "primary components" and "fractions". They are also the ones who desginated white cells "primary components". I can only go by what they stated, and that is that white cells are forbidden as they are "primary components". So all of us who may have been breast feed, or who condoned our wifes breast feeding, or especially you mothers who breast feed your children... your JC is waiting at the hall.

TD

The JW organization knocked that wall down many years ago via the argument of natural consequence in support of the allowance of fractions.

This argument holds that "Natural" processes are implicitly sanctioned by the Creator and therefore may be implemented preternaturally in medicine.

For example, since gamma globulin is naturally passed between mother and fetus in utero, there is nothing wrong with mimicking this process by injecting gamma globulin based preparations in the treatment of disease even though that involves extracting gamma globulin directly from blood.

Of course we all know that these arguments are never intended to be followed through to their logical conclusions; they're developed on an ad hoc bases to justify a predetermined policy, but it does make things rough on the apologist

Terry Lawton

Amazing to see zero replies on this facet from any JW isnt it!

Destroys the doctrine of blood as a natural substance used to prolong life (feeding) and that of saving life.

Absolutely NO difference.

Just another hypocritical doctrine from the JDubs.

Of course they wont want to acknowledge this fact, for the fear of shunning. Ironic that isnt it. A false precept doctrine that if challenged and you disagree with it, you will have 3 men is suits interrogate you over one final question.

"Do you believe the FDS are Gods only Channel"

Thats all they care about. Pharisees!

Lee Elder

They have no response. It is one of many issues that have repeatedly been inquired about by JW elders and HLC members. The leadership's response: "Wait on Jehovah".

Crazyguy

Not only does the body produce 1 million white blood cells per drop but in about 50% of pregnancys durning child birth blood gets passed from one to the other.

blondie

http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/jehovah-god-does-allow-natural-whole.html

In 1990, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. (herein called the "Watchtower") made one of its most remarkable statements ever with respect to its ban on blood transfusions for its members -- the Jehovah's Witnesses. Found in the "Questions from Readers" section of the June 1, 1990 edition of The Watchtower magazine, pages 30 to 31 (transcript attached as Appendix 1), the following is stated:

"It is significant that the blood system of a pregnant woman is separate from that of the fetus in her womb; their blood types are often different. The mother does not pass her blood into the fetus. Formed elements (cells) from the mother's blood do not cross the placental barrier into the fetus' blood, nor does the plasma as such. In fact, if by some injury the mother's and the fetus' blood mingle, health problems can later develop (Rh or ABO incompatibility). However, some substances from the plasma cross into the fetus' circulation. Do plasma proteins, such as immune globulin and albumin? Yes, some do.
"A pregnant woman has an active mechanism by which some immune globulin moves from the mother's blood to the fetus'. Because this natural movement of antibodies into the fetus occurs in all pregnancies, babies are born with a degree of normal protective immunity to certain infections.
"It is similar with albumin, which doctors may prescribe as a treatment for shock or certain other conditions. Researchers have proved that albumin from the plasma is also transported, though less efficiently, across the placenta from a mother into her fetus.
"That some protein fractions from the plasma do move naturally into the blood system of another individual (the fetus) may be another consideration when a Christian is deciding whether he will accept immune globulin, albumin, or similar injections of plasma fractions. One person may feel that he in good conscience can; another may conclude that he cannot. Each must resolve the matter personally before God."

In the Watchtower's mind, researchers had clearly proved that these human blood components naturally transfer from one human being (the mother) to another human being (the fetus). Clearly, in the mind of the Watchtower, as God's Chosen Organization, Jehovah cannot be breaking His own law. Thus, the Watchtower allowed Jehovah's Witnesses to use their own free will and conscience in deciding whether to accept transfusions of certain human blood components. A far cry from a disfellowship/disassociation action that meant the loss of God, certain death at Armageddon and shunning by family and friends for knowingly taking a "banned" blood component transfusion or a whole blood transfusion.

The Watchtower re-emphasized this 1990 doctrine change on the natural blood component transfer in the "Question From Readers" section of the June 15, 2000 edition of The Watchtower magazine, pages 29-31.

But, even with this change in 1990 the Watchtower continued to ban transfusions of human whole blood and the blood components -- red blood cells, platelets and plasma. The Watchtower also officially banned white blood cell transfusions unless it is was termed a peripheral blood stem cell autographing procedure (which is really a fancy word for a white blood cell transfusion -- see Appendix 5).

But what if there was a way that Jehovah God actually allowed for the natural transfer of whole blood between two humans? And if researchers have proved a natural whole blood transfer just like they proved the natural transfer of albumin, what would this mean?

Obviously, as shown in 1990, the Watchtower (as God's Chosen Organization) clearly recognized that if researchers actually proved a blood component naturally transfers between two humans, then the Watchtower recognized Jehovah God cannot break His own law. And since Jehovah cannot break His own law, whole blood transfusions, if proven, would have to be a matter for a Jehovah's Witness' conscience and free will and would not be a cause for a disfellowship/disassociation action.

So is there any research with pictorial evidence to prove God actually allows whole human blood to naturally transfer between two human beings (individuals)?

Well, whatever side of the abortion issue you are on, just remember that "God's Chosen Organization," the Watchtower, has stated publicly that a fetus is an individual human being.

Over the past twenty or so years there has been a lot of scientific research into twins. Why? Well thanks to some of the technology around today to help moms and dads have children, more couples than ever before are having twins, triplets and more. To moms and dads so desperate for just one baby, there is nothing quite like two or more healthy babies. But twins can have risks such as in a few cases of monochorionic (MC) pregnancies -- thus, the need for research. (SEE MORE) http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/jehovah-god-does-allow-natural-whole.html

Vanderhoven7

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Diogenesister

Blondie's post s was termed a peripheral blood stem cell autographing procedure (which is really a fancy word for a white blood cell transfusion -- see

So, if this was allowed, why not allow The individual to store and use his own blood later....as prep for surgery or chemotherapy? Since the above procedure is basically the same principal.

Are White Blood Cells Passed to a Baby via Breastfeeding?

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