We are not false prophets

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  • Essan

    1. "Jehovah's Witnesses, do not claim to be inspired Prophets"

    - They have claimed to be a prophet (see article above). So what kind of prophet were they claiming to be if not an "inspired prophet"? Does the Bible describe inspired and uninspired prophets? No. It's described prophets and false prophets. They have invented an unscriptural category of prophet to escape identification as a 'false prophet'

    - They have claimed to be inspired. If you look up the word inspired, they completely claim the definition just without using the word. Instead they use phrases like "spirit-led", "spirit-directed", "channel of communication" and "God's Channel". Historically, they have also explicitly claimed the Watchtower to contain only God's words, not those of men. In short, they have long claimed inspiration.

    - The line "Jehovah's Witnesses, do not claim to be inspired Prophets" is a red herring. They are implying that this contrasts with claims made by false prophets in the Bible. In fact, Biblical false prophets don't explicitly make the claim to be inspired either and this is not a Scriptural identifying mark of a 'false prophet'. Biblical 'false prophets' just presumptuously made false predictions/proclamations in God's name. Their lack of making the direct claim to being inspired did not save these Biblical false prophets from being identified and punished, and neither does it save the Watchtower Society. They have made countless predictions/proclamations in God's name. This is the Biblical (OT) definition of a "false prophet". As we'll see they also fully meet the NT definition.

    2. They have made mistakes. Like the apostles of Jesus Christ, they have at times had some wrong expectations.—Luke 19:11; Acts 1:6.

    - The Apostles sometimes had incorrect ideas - however they did not publish them globally - as fact and as required belief - in God's name, nor did they falsely predict and preach the End multiple times. There is a vast different. Actually, there is one clear identifying mark for 'false prophets' after the first century and which Christians who believe these are the last days should use as a clear guide to identifying them, and that is falsely proclaiming the return of Christ. Matt 24:23-28. No other religion has such a long career of falsely proclaiming or predicting Christ's return as The Watchtower Society, thus they completely embody the NT definition of "False Prophet" that is relevant to our time and of which Jesus warned.

    3. Matters on which corrections of viewpoint have been needed have been relatively minor when compared with the vital Bible truths that they have discerned and publicized.

    - This presumes that the 'vital Bible truths' are true, but seeing as JW teaching changes so often and they have preached so many false dates and interpretations, confidence in their 'Bible truths' is unwarranted. At least one of these listed "truths", the 1914 doctrine, is demonstrably false. Also, predicting and preaching the end of the world - Armageddon - multiple times and insisting that generations now long dead would "never die", or that others (now in middle age), should not marry or have children in their youth, should not bother with a career, education or any preparation for their future and should "face the fact" that they would never reach their teens - all this, and it's damaging repercussions - is not "trivial".

    4. Another factor to consider regarding the teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses is this: Have these truly uplifted people morally? Are those who adhere to these teachings outstanding in their communities because of their honesty? Is their family life beneficially influenced by applying these teachings? Jesus said that his disciples would be readily identified because of having love among themselves. (John 13:35) Is this quality outstanding among Jehovah’s Witnesses? We let the facts speak for themselves.

    - Actually, there are irrelevant to the identification of a "false prophet". If you prophesy falsely, you are a false prophet, and such claims as these are no defense, even if true. In fact, Jesus warned of those who would make such defenses, pointing to their supposed good works to attempt to escape judgement for their sin:

    "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' - Matthew 7:22, 23

    - Actually, JW's are not noted for their love, either within or without the congregation. They mercilessly condemn, judging and handing out what are supposedly God's condemnations to others, rather than leaving it to Him. They wrote, with brazen hypocrisy, dismissive of the rafter in their own eye:

    "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an "end to the world," even announcing a specific date....Yet nothing happened. The "end" did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. (Awake!, October 8, 1968, p. 23, italics in original).

    So they condemn themselves out of their own mouth. Later self-serving attempts to contradict their own clear statements will not save them. As Jesus warned:

    "D o not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." - Matthew 7:1

  • wasblind

    The outline for this weeks talk was taken from page 136-137

    in the REASONING from the SCRIPTURES BOOK. And if you look on page 234

    of this same book, under the heading of LAST DAYS, it is quoted as saying:

    "The present wicked system of things, which extends worldwide, entered

    it's last days in 1914, and some of the generation alive then will also be on hand

    to witness its complete end in the great tribulation."

    That indeed was a prophesy, that evidently, will not come true because they changed it at the 2010 DC

    JW's proclaimed this worldwide, and published it for all to see, that make you a false prophet

    just because you have not made the mistake in losing faith does not excuse what you are.

  • Juli

    If the Watchtower's Governing Body truly thought that they were not inspired, then all of their myriad rules would be suggestions, not commandments. They would be "conscience" matters, not disfellowshipping, marking, pruvate reproofing matters. Just their arrogance in their judicial system is enough to tell me that they indeed do believe they speak for God and have his authority to do what they like with the lives of their adherents, even to the point of causing one's death.

    To be a good Witness one must believe infallibly in fallible people.

  • Essan

    Nice catch wasblind. :)

    This page neatly sums up the issues too


  • wasblind

    that's right Juli,

    and who do the elders in the congs think their speaking for,

    every time they determine whether or not someone is repentent enough.

    i thought only Jehovah could read the heart. So are the elders getting

    this inspiration straight from Jehovah, to be able to determine ones

    sincerity? oh i forgot JW's are not inspired.

  • wasblind

    Thanks Essan

  • wasblind

    "Hananiah, prophesied falsely by just two years, but he was recognised by Jeremiah as a false prophet, and judged by God:"

    Yes Essan, "Thar's gold in them hills"

  • alice.in.wonderland

    Back to this again....Jehovah's Witnesses foundation for their faith isn't squarely based on the Watchtower Society's historical record.

    What, then, is A·pol′los? Yes, what is Paul? Ministers through whom you became believers, even as the Lord granted each one. I planted, A·pol′los watered, but God kept making [it] grow; so that neither is he that plants anything nor is he that waters, but God who makes [it] grow. Now he that plants and he that waters are one, but each [person] will receive his own reward according to his own labor. For we are God’s fellow workers. you people are God’s field under cultivation, God’s building. According to the undeserved kindness of God that was given to me, as a wise director of works I laid a foundation, but someone else is building on it. But let each one keep watching how he is building on it. For no man can lay any other foundation than what is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood materials, hay, stubble, each one’s work will become manifest, for the day will show it up, because it will be revealed by means of fire; and the fire itself will prove what sort of work each one’s is. If anyone’s work that he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward; if anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved; yet, if so, [it will be] as through fire. 1 Corinthians 3:5-15


    Both science and religion, in their noblest forms, involve the search for truth. In the quest for answers, we need to be guided by sound principles. Unless we stick to the highest standards of evidence, we can easily be misled in our search for scientific and religious truth.

    As long as an individual or organization makes a consistent effort to conform to the genuine article, no one is being mislead.

  • notverylikely

    As long as an individual or organization makes a consistent effort to conform to the genuine article, no one is being mislead.

    Well, there's the proble, Alice. They don't. They make the scriptures conform to their eschtatology. For instance, they deny that Jesus meant heaven when talking to the thief when he said "you wil be with me in paradise" even though Paul equated paradise with third heaven and that was a well known concept in Judaism, that paradise was a level of heaven.

  • Terry

    Have not Jehovah’s Witnesses made errors in their teachings?
    Jehovah’s Witnesses do not claim to be inspired prophets. They have made mistakes.

    You need go no farther than the above premise to reach an inevitible conclusion.

    1.Speaking formally about the future using the Bible and God as the source authority and issuing a warning IS PROPHECY.

    2. If a person has sex for money and doesn't call themselves a prostitute; do you think the cops will let them go?

    3.If we act under our own ignorance in an effort to effect an end result, if it fails we have been MISTAKEN. If we act under direction of Holy Spirit while asserting we are charged with the authority to GOVERN as BODY those who MUST LISTEN to us---we cannot be MISTAKEN; we can only be False Prophets when we err.

    What crap from serious people.

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